Gravitymaster 0 #1 March 21, 2003 Subject: Hollywood vs. Bush Administration The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get with names like "stupid", "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American. So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant", "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them: President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. Vice President Dick Cheney: Earned a B. A. in 1965 and a M. A. in 1966, both in political science. Secretary of State Colin Powell: Educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U. S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: Attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U. S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator. Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge: Raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie, he earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U. S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice: Earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph. D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their experience? Barbra Streisand : Completed high school. Career: Singing and acting Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton. Career: Acting Jessica Lange: Dropped out of college mid-freshman year. Career: Acting Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington. Career: Acting Julia Roberts: Completed high school. Career: Acting Sean Penn: Completed High school. Career: Acting Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D. C. Career: Acting Ed Asner: Completed High school. Career: Acting George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky. Career: Acting Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan. Career: Movie Director Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School. Career: Acting Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School. Career: Acting Mike Farrell: Completed High school. Career: Acting Janeane Garofalo: Dropped out of College. Career: Stand up comedienne Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year. Career: Acting While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN. We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders. These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by freedom-hating terrorists while going about their routine lives, they hold rallies against the war. It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them. Yes, it's a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, talking of world peace. But it is not real. We did not stop Adolph Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, and with strength and determination defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action and threat of immediate war. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended because of the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan...PEACE through STRENGTH. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #2 March 21, 2003 So are you claiming that a person's education is the best measure of their intelligence and the validity of their opinions? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #3 March 21, 2003 Well, here's my side of the story....blablabla yak yak yak...oh fuck it, i'm sick of arguing about it on these threads. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MuffDiver 0 #4 March 21, 2003 Shit! I knew I should have dropped out of college, that way I could be an actor making big bucks and sharing my political views with the rest of the world. Instead I can only share my political views with you guys. I don't take what some of these people have to say too seriously. Although they have the same right to free speech as you and I do, the only difference is that they have a much larger audience. Besides that if your beliefs are going to change based on what a movie star/singer says then you don't have to worry about dropping out of college your first year because you won't even make it that far. __________________________________________________ Don't take life too seriously. You'll never get out alive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #5 March 21, 2003 QuoteThe Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get with names like "stupid", "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American. The Hollywood crowd gives credence to the growing sentiment that the democratic party = the party of hate and intolerance. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnischalke 0 #6 March 21, 2003 I am not even gonna ask how you assembled all this information, but I assume its all verifiable. In that case, BRAVO. I am so sick of trained monkeys bleeding their hearts out over some shit they know nothing about just because they have a camera in their face. Vanity will do such amazing things to dumb people. They actually believe their own hype. Fucking well-trained monkeys looking to cash in at the popularity till at the expense of, well, who cares? ...Bunch of disgustipating, traitorous modern-day Jane Fondas. mike Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills--You know, like nunchuk skills, bow-hunting skills, computer-hacking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 March 21, 2003 QuoteSo are you claiming that a person's education is the best measure of their intelligence and the validity of their opinions? No, but it does give a quick indication as to their dedication towards completing a complex, complicated goal and their motivation for the acquirement of knowledge. Although, many folks who I highly repect never finished or didn't even go to college, they usually have something else to show for it. For instance, a large majority of the people that I personally know who I highly respect that did not go to or complete college were in the military. Being an actor/musician/performer doesn't quite cut it in many cases. Next you'll say something about me quoting Johnny Cash and that he's a musician. Go look up his biography.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,150 #8 March 21, 2003 fuck it. boobies.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2skdvn 0 #9 March 21, 2003 ummm.....BOOBIES!!!!!!!!! if my calculations are correct SLINKY + ESCULATOR = EVERLASTING FUN my site Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #10 March 21, 2003 Did someone say boobies?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #11 March 21, 2003 QuoteSo are you claiming that a person's education is the best measure of their intelligence and the validity of their opinions? I would say it's an indication. Not a lot of PHDs with a sub 100 I.Q. Not a lot of 140 + I.Q.s without at least some college. Always the exception, though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,150 #12 March 21, 2003 must...not...post...about...liberal...bias...at...colleges...resist...resist...resist... Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #13 March 21, 2003 Must... not... post...about.. reward to prove Bush was not AWOL going unclaimed.... must not post....Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #14 March 21, 2003 QuoteNot a lot of 140 + I.Q.s without at least some college. Negative! May I see your research, sir?!Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #15 March 21, 2003 Quotemust...not...post...about...liberal...bias...at...colleges...resist...resist...resist... lol wendy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #16 March 21, 2003 Quote must...not...post...about...liberal...bias...at...colleges...resist...resist...resist... Wendy W. Ruh-Roh..."No Indoctrination" "The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDolphin 0 #17 March 21, 2003 Just out of curiosity, are the stars that support Bush and the war more intelligent in your opinion? I have no idea what their educational backgrounds are. Howard Stern, Rob Lowe, Tom Cruise, Dennis Hopper, Ted Nugent, Kid Rock, etc. Education does not intelligence make. I know people with only high school educations that have invented mio-electronic controllers for artificial limbs, built great computer software... I also know people with PHD's that don't know how to hammer a nail into a piece of wood or carry on a normal conversation. How can you measure intelligence by what someone can or has learned from a book at college? R Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #18 March 21, 2003 Person #1 - Education: BS in Mathematics from Harvard University, 1962 PhD in math from University of Michigan, 1967 Professor of Mathematics at Berkley, 1967-1971 Person #2 - Southeast Missouri State University dropout Now, which one is Ted Kaszynski, the Unabomber, and which one is Rush Limbaugh, popular political commentator? Before you all rush off to Google and come back with a fiery reply, my point is not that education means nothing - my point is that a given level of education, while a good indicator of someone's intelligence, is not a good indicator that someone is worthy of being listened to. Smart people often do evil things; dumb people often do some very worthy things. Both can have valid opinions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #19 March 21, 2003 QuotePerson #1 - Education: BS in Mathematics from Harvard University, 1962 PhD in math from University of Michigan, 1967 Professor of Mathematics at Berkley, 1967-1971Quote If you are talking about B.S. I'd like to know where you get your info. I have checked numerous sources and the only thing I can find on her education is she graduated from Erasmus H.S. in 1959 and went sttaight into acting. This is info from her own biography. Person #2 - Southeast Missouri State University dropout Now, which one is Ted Kaszynski, the Unabomber, and which one is Rush Limbaugh, popular political commentator? Before you all rush off to Google and come back with a fiery reply, my point is not that education means nothing - my point is that a given level of education, while a good indicator of someone's intelligence, is not a good indicator that someone is worthy of being listened to. Smart people often do evil things; dumb people often do some very worthy things. Both can have valid opinions. Agreed, just thought we should all have this info available so we can consider the education level of those calling GWB "stupid and an idiot". Glass houses etc... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kiltboy 0 #20 March 21, 2003 Chances are after a PhD in Mathmatics you're bound to have a few screws loose. David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kiltboy 0 #21 March 21, 2003 Oh go on please. Could you PM it if you don't want to post? David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #22 March 21, 2003 C'mon, Bill, it was rhetoric. "The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #23 March 21, 2003 QuoteJust out of curiosity, are the stars that support Bush and the war more intelligent in your opinion? I have no idea what their educational backgrounds are. Howard Stern, Rob Lowe, Tom Cruise, Dennis Hopper, Ted Nugent, Kid Rock, etc. Education does not intelligence make. I know people with only high school educations that have invented mio-electronic controllers for artificial limbs, built great computer software... I also know people with PHD's that don't know how to hammer a nail into a piece of wood or carry on a normal conversation. How can you measure intelligence by what someone can or has learned from a book at college? R My point, which is apparently being missed, (although not surprising) was to give a contrast of those who call the Bush Administration "stupid, morons and idiots". Perhaps a more Intelligent approach would be re-reading the entire post and understand its entire context. That might be more beneficial than choosing to key on one aspect and trying to find a single exception to that point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #24 March 21, 2003 Hey Bob, I got your point from the beginning. Makes me wonder about those that didn't....hmmm. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #25 March 21, 2003 I'm don't know what the original point was. Maybe that's why the topic went the way it did. I'm not certain it's possible to have a meaningful discussion about political opinion and war that originates from hollywood. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 1 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
kiltboy 0 #20 March 21, 2003 Chances are after a PhD in Mathmatics you're bound to have a few screws loose. David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiltboy 0 #21 March 21, 2003 Oh go on please. Could you PM it if you don't want to post? David Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #22 March 21, 2003 C'mon, Bill, it was rhetoric. "The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #23 March 21, 2003 QuoteJust out of curiosity, are the stars that support Bush and the war more intelligent in your opinion? I have no idea what their educational backgrounds are. Howard Stern, Rob Lowe, Tom Cruise, Dennis Hopper, Ted Nugent, Kid Rock, etc. Education does not intelligence make. I know people with only high school educations that have invented mio-electronic controllers for artificial limbs, built great computer software... I also know people with PHD's that don't know how to hammer a nail into a piece of wood or carry on a normal conversation. How can you measure intelligence by what someone can or has learned from a book at college? R My point, which is apparently being missed, (although not surprising) was to give a contrast of those who call the Bush Administration "stupid, morons and idiots". Perhaps a more Intelligent approach would be re-reading the entire post and understand its entire context. That might be more beneficial than choosing to key on one aspect and trying to find a single exception to that point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #24 March 21, 2003 Hey Bob, I got your point from the beginning. Makes me wonder about those that didn't....hmmm. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #25 March 21, 2003 I'm don't know what the original point was. Maybe that's why the topic went the way it did. I'm not certain it's possible to have a meaningful discussion about political opinion and war that originates from hollywood. Ken"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
