kelel01 1 #151 January 13, 2004 It's not a race . . . assholes get married first, divorced first, and die first. Nice guys get married last, and it lasts forever. Wasn't that a nice, rosy picture I painted there? Even I have to call bullshit on myself, but look at the general trend . . . I think I'm largely correct. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #152 January 13, 2004 QuoteIt's not a race . . . assholes get married first, divorced first, and die first. Nice guys get married last, and it lasts forever. Ah shit....I was married, got divorced...I know Im gonna die sometime. That proves it, Im an asshole! I still think good guys get the shaft."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #153 January 13, 2004 QuoteNice guys get married last, and it lasts forever. So, are you trying to encourage or discourage nice guys? The marriage isn't forever, it just seems that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #154 January 13, 2004 No, good GIRLS get the shaft. And I guess if you consider a lifelong marriage a bad thing, then I'm trying to discourage guys from being nice. Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #155 January 13, 2004 You know your kind of right too. It seem nice girls find Aholes and nice guys find Aholes but you don't see a nice girl with a nice guy that often. Why is that?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #156 January 13, 2004 QuoteThat proves it, Im an asshole! Oopsie, I forgot that you were divorced. But I thought we determined that you were an asshole while I was at Z-Hills. Did you forget about that? Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #157 January 13, 2004 Instead of a marriage license, most people should get a learners permit anyway. 1. You can't drive at night for 60 days. 2. You must be accompanied by an adult. 3. Renewable after 1 year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #158 January 13, 2004 A marriage learner's permit? Sounds a little like an engagement to me . . . And as far as being accompanied by an adult, most relationships DO involve at least ONE woman . . . Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #159 January 13, 2004 QuoteIt's like, when can you ever relax, when can you know everythings ok & it's going to stay that way. JEESH! A man, being interviewed by telephone on the morning of his 60th wedding anniversary, said, " Hang in there. The first 50 years are the worst. After that, it gets to be a habit." Does it matter if it ends in 2, or 15 or 26 or 42 years time? Surely what matters is the quality you share with someone NOW? If now can be sustained through all of life's pain and change - the reward is each and every second you share with the person you love. But you have to try. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #160 January 13, 2004 QuoteI still think good guys get the shaft. i've been both, i often wonder if i'm paying a karmic debt in relationships for playing to much when i was a young arrogant ass... since i've been trying to have real relationships and do more for others than myself, my emotional life has really really sucked.. maybe i should just go back to being an asshole and having a lot more 'fun' even if it only makes me superficially happy...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #161 January 13, 2004 QuoteAnd as far as being accompanied by an adult, most relationships DO involve at least ONE woman . . . Exactly, why is there always so much pressure on the man to be that adult? If it wasn't for that guiding hand, women would spend their days in a constant whirlwind of chocolate, shopping, and books about relationships. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #162 January 13, 2004 Quotei've been both, i often wonder if i'm paying a karmic debt in relationships for playing to much when i was a young arrogant ass... since i've been trying to have real relationships and do more for others than myself, my emotional life has really really sucked.. maybe i should just go back to being an asshole and having a lot more 'fun' even if it only makes me superficially happy... Opening yourself up and pouring your heart out to someone is an act of trust and faith. (edit to add: and really, really scary) And sometimes, it is not always reciprocated or cherished. But at least you know YOU have a heart and still have feelings. I say, lick your wounds for awhile. Then, when you think it's right...go after the exact same goals you stated there and have another "real" relationship. It can happen...if you aim for it.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hmatousek 0 #163 January 13, 2004 That's okay she know's mine too.Life doesn't have to be perfect in order to be beautiful! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #164 January 13, 2004 Im starting to think the same way...I open up and WHAM. All hell breaks lose. I have never considered myself an asshole in a relatonship, by my last one I REALLY went all out."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #165 January 13, 2004 QuoteInstead of a marriage license, most people should get a learners permit anyway Nope I have put though into this... A 3 year contract with an option to renew.... You are not allowed to have kids the first 3 years, and can't buy a house. After three years if it does not work out, one just moves out. Easy and clean. "Thanks, it was fun!""No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #166 January 13, 2004 QuoteI have never considered myself an asshole in a relatonship You were just married too long. It takes a while, but eventually that "nice guy" junk gets beaten out of you. I've found that being a pig has allowed me to be more honest. No one really wants you to be honest, so it can work against me. Everyone seems to appreciate a good believable lie, good for the ego. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #167 January 13, 2004 QuoteAfter three years if it does not work out, one just moves out. Easy and clean. It works that way after 12 years of marriage too. That's what her lawyer did, moved me out and then cleaned me out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #168 January 13, 2004 QuoteOopsie, I forgot that you were divorced. But I thought we determined that you were an asshole while I was at Z-Hills. Did you forget about that? Hey I may be an asshole, but rumor has it Im kinda funny. Even when someone locks keys in a car..And we have to wait on the AAA guy and disturb his ass kicking plans. And I let almost anyone sleep on my couch and use my shower....Hell I even have little hotel shampoo's So maybe Im nice and an asshole...? Nah, Im an asshole...Just ask around here."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelel01 1 #169 January 13, 2004 I concede that you are in fact a nice guy . . . Damnit! My best argument struck down by Ron, of all people! Kelly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #170 January 13, 2004 QuoteI concede that you are in fact a nice guy . . . Ha ha.... QuoteDamnit! My best argument struck down by Ron, of all people! Thats what I do around here....That and it seems PW a little."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,334 #171 January 13, 2004 QuoteDoes it matter if it ends in 2, or 15 or 26 or 42 years time? Surely what matters is the quality you share with someone NOW? If now can be sustained through all of life's pain and change - the reward is each and every second you share with the person you love. But you have to try Brilliant. And thanks for posting that. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vocii 0 #172 January 20, 2004 *puke* Whoever wrote this sappy shit is probably hypocritical and can't live up to the kumbaya hand-holding and niceness. It's probably written by a 14 year-old who won a poetry contest in some retarded school. My version: 1) If you have to clean up the mess after a party, you probably don't have good friends to help you with the cleaning. 2) For the alarm the goes off every morning, it means that I have to wake up a certain time to perpetuate my involvement with some oppressive institution such as work or school; work is work, you get paid because you grovel and work your ass off. School is a series of rituals of bullshitting and yet people call it education; what actually happens in schools has little to do with genuine scholarship but with quasi-intellectuals who pretend to know shit about the world and don't. 3) For the huge heating bill... Uh, some countries actually have housing that includes heating in the rent. Ah, the barbarity of some countries that actually charge hefty fees to keep the population from not dying from the cold! 4) And finally, all the email I get. Err, all the email most people get is junk mail. Even "Friends" don't write that often. If people write all the time it's mostly because they need you for something. When was the last time someone wrote to you to inquire how you are? 5) For the partner who hogs my covers. Well, it's very possible that the partner is cheating anyway, and that the partner is just a pig who not only takes up the whole bed but snores like one. Besides, the partner is probably there cus the loser has nowhere else to go. 6) For the taxes I pay. Idiot, you also pay taxes beyond employment taxes. And those taxes go to other shit and people who don't deserve your hard-earned money. 7) For the lady who sings in church off key. Well, I would certainly be happy to be deaf not just when the old bitch sings but mostly throughout life cus I sure heard a lot of shit from people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #173 January 21, 2004 . . .and number 51 . . . Go low and track away!I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vocii 0 #174 January 21, 2004 Quotepersonally, I feel that life is 90% roses and 10% weeds... but, its much easier to concentrate on weeds. its easier to focus on things that are going wrong than things that are going right. Someone emailed me this a while ago, and its so true... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am thankful- For the teenager who is complaining about doing dishes-- Because that means he is at home not on the streets. For the taxes that I pay-- Because it means I am employed. For the mess to clean after a party-- Because it means that I have been surrounded by friends. For the clothes that fit a little too snug-- Because it means I have enough to eat. For my shadow that watches me work-- Because it means I am out in the sunshine. For a lawn that needs mowing, windows that need cleaning, and gutters that need fixing-- Because it means I have a home. For all the complaining I hear about the government-- Because it means we have freedom of speech. For the parking spot I find at the far end of the parking lot-- Because it means I am capable of walking and that I have been blessed with transportation. For my huge heating bill-- Because it means I am warm. For the lady behind me in church who sings off key-- Because it means I can hear. For the pile of laundry and ironing-- Because it means I have clothes to wear. For weariness and aching muscles at the end of the day-- Because it means I have been capable of working hard. For the alarm that goes of in the early morning hours-- Because it means I am alive. For the partner who hogs the covers every night, because they are home with me and not out with someone else. And finally, for too much email-- Because it means I have friends who are thinking of me! --Author unknown *puke* Whoever wrote this sappy shit is probably hypocritical and can't live up to the kumbaya hand-holding and niceness. It's probably written by a 14 year-old who won a poetry contest in some retarded school. My version: 1) If you have to clean up the mess after a party, you probably don't have good friends to help you with the cleaning. 2) For the alarm the goes off every morning, it means that I have to wake up a certain time to perpetuate my involvement with some oppressive institution such as work or school; work is work, you get paid because you grovel and work your ass off. School is a series of rituals of bullshitting and yet people call it education; what actually happens in schools has little to do with genuine scholarship but with quasi-intellectuals who pretend to know shit about the world and don't. 3) For the huge heating bill... Uh, some countries actually have housing that includes heating in the rent. Ah, the barbarity of some countries that actually charge hefty fees to keep the population from not dying from the cold! 4) And finally, all the email I get. Err, all the email most people get is junk mail. Even "Friends" don't write that often. If people write all the time it's mostly because they need you for something. When was the last time someone wrote to you to inquire how you are? 5) For the partner who hogs my covers. Well, it's very possible that the partner is cheating anyway, and that the partner is just a pig who not only takes up the whole bed but snores like one. Besides, the partner is probably there cus the loser has nowhere else to go. 6) For the taxes I pay. Idiot, you also pay taxes beyond employment taxes. And those taxes go to other shit and people who don't deserve your hard-earned money. 7) For the lady who sings in church off key. Well, I would certainly be happy to be deaf not just when the old bitch sings but mostly throughout life cus I sure heard a lot of shit from people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricaH 0 #175 February 5, 2004 QuoteQuote***Does it matter if it ends in 2, or 15 or 26 or 42 years time? Surely what matters is the quality you share with someone NOW? If now can be sustained through all of life's pain and change - the reward is each and every second you share with the person you love. But you have to try Brilliant. And thanks for posting that. Wendy W. K, sorry to bring up this old thread, but I wanted to share something. Last weekend my b/f & I had our first fight (after 8.5 months)!! I got home first & wanted to pack my sh*t up & be gone for good - my typical MO. But instead, I stayed, waited for him, had a good conversation - and worked everything out . This is truly amazing! Our relationship feels (to me) even more strong now . Some stuff came into the open, we lived through it (together I also found out that this is my b/f's longest realtionship also. We're in completely uncharted territory. And I'm terrified! There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear. PMS #227 (just like the TV show) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites