narcimund 0 #1 September 24, 2003 Enough of the vagueness. Let's stop talking about "redefining marriage" and "civil unions" and other buzz words. Let's get down to the core of it. Either you think societal support of monogamy is a good thing or a bad thing. What do you want gay people to have? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #2 September 24, 2003 Oh boy...here we go............ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casch 0 #3 September 24, 2003 I don't think it should be any different than straight people. If you wanna be promiscuous, let it be, monogamous? Go for it. Be yourself. I'm partial to monagomy myself, but whatever floats your boat! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #4 September 24, 2003 Can I ask one thing? OK Fuck you I'm asking anyway. Why do you need "societal support" to be in a relationship? Why do you care what others think? I think I do have to support gay marriage just because of the legal aspects. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #5 September 24, 2003 Umm Who cares? My personal life is MY personal life... and none of societies business. I believe the core of it is a bunch of whiney people that want to feel special, want to bitch, and feel the need to confront. Are you so insecure that you need societal approval of your gayness? Personally, I don't give a shit what society thinks... and I'm perfectly happy with things the way they are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeMike 0 #6 September 24, 2003 Dude, Gay people are the best. My best employees are gay, my landlord is a gay skydiver and the nicest guy ever, Queer Eye for a Straight Guy is one of my favorite shows. But, I was taught to be a homophobe in my redneck upbringing. Luckily, I figured it out. Closet, flamer, whatever.....Gay people rock! Mike (straight as an arrow) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #7 September 24, 2003 QuoteWhy do you need "societal support" to be in a relationship? Good question. -I- don't need shit. I've been in a stable, marriage-like, monogamous, completely independent relationship for five years. But I'm not asking for myself. Society-wide, it's clearly a benefit for there to be legal and social support of relationships like mine. Straight people get that benefit and Meunkel and Chuteless and Bush can't stand the thought of us getting that external assistance for some reason. They must want gay people to screw around. So I'm asking, overall, society-wide, does everyone agree with the Christians that gay people should get it on all day long? The paternalistic authoritarians are pushing for policy that promotes liberal, promiscuous sexual lifestyles. "Gay marriage" would move towards family-oriented lifestyles. Which is most desirable? Make your choice. Be pragmatic. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeMike 0 #8 September 24, 2003 Your words are too big....You lost me at protagonisisition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #9 September 24, 2003 QuoteYour words are too big....You lost me at protagonisisition LOL!!!! Hey i'm with you on that Iwas lost at QuoteThe paternalistic authoritarians are pushing for policy that promotes liberal, promiscuous sexual lifestyles jasonFreedom of speech includes volume Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #10 September 24, 2003 QuoteSo I'm asking, overall, society-wide, does everyone agree with the Christians that gay people should get it on all day long? OK....thanks for the laugh. THAT was funny. I agree with you I think. "Marriage" really isn't about two people any more. It's about legal rights. I say why should it matter who those two people are? I know....I'm in a minority. The non-hypocritical that served in the military. I think all Americans deserve the same rights. *shrug* I'm getting strange in my old age. I think Skydiving has had an effect on me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #11 September 24, 2003 You know, this would be a great conversation over a few beers...although i see it getting into a HUGE flame fest via the 'net, though. Are you going to Eloy? If you'd like to hear my opinion, I'd be happy to get a couple of beers.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #12 September 24, 2003 QuoteSo I'm asking, overall, society-wide, does everyone agree with the Christians that gay people should get it on all day long? Cool I agree with the Christians! Ok, you don't have to feed them to the lions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #13 September 24, 2003 I couldn't care less one way or the other. It's your business and I hope it doesn't matter to you what I think about stuff like that.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueEyedMonster 0 #14 September 24, 2003 Quotealthough i see it getting into a HUGE flame fest Flame fest... flamers... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #15 September 24, 2003 You know, I must be tired, I didn't even think of that while I wrote my initial post.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflir29 0 #16 September 24, 2003 Quote You know, I must be tired, I didn't even think of that while I wrote my initial post. Damn...it must be 3 AM. I didn't catch that one either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vonSanta 0 #17 September 24, 2003 I don't give a sh|t either way, really. Let people be whatever they are. They'll have to live with the consequences (possibly STDs), not me. Goes for both straight and gay people. Santa Von GrossenArsch I only come in one flavour ohwaitthatcanbemisunderst Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #18 September 24, 2003 QuoteEnough of the vagueness. Let's stop talking about "redefining marriage" and "civil unions" and other buzz words. Let's get down to the core of it. Either you think societal support of monogamy is a good thing or a bad thing. What do you want gay people to have? I could say who cares but you would probly think Im being a dick. what I mean is who cares if someones gay. let 'em do WTF they want. the more gay men there are the more straight woman have to to see me as an alternative!My photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 September 24, 2003 Quotethe more gay men there are the more straight woman have to to see me as an alternative! ok.. let me get this straight.. JTVAL is an alternative to men? Jeanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #20 September 24, 2003 I have never understood why anyone would care what two consenting adults do......... Its their own biz. Let them get married, or have multiple partners as they choose.... RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtval 0 #21 September 24, 2003 QuoteQuotethe more gay men there are the more straight woman have to to see me as an alternative! ok.. let me get this straight.. JTVAL is an alternative to men? Jeanne LOL to gay menMy photos My Videos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #22 September 24, 2003 QuoteSociety-wide, it's clearly a benefit for there to be legal and social support of relationships like mine. Straight people get that benefit and Meunkel and Chuteless and Bush can't stand the thought of us getting that external assistance for some reason. They must want gay people to screw around. How the hell can you get to sleeping around from there???? they are 2 independant topics promiscuity has nothing to do with legitimising a relationship QuoteSo I'm asking, overall, society-wide, does everyone agree with the Christians that gay people should get it on all day long? The paternalistic authoritarians are pushing for policy that promotes liberal, promiscuous sexual lifestyles. HOW, and UI find it hard to beleive that God bothers would want promiscuos homosexuals, seeing as how they dont want homosexuals at all. You questions and conlusiobns dont make sense. FWIW, i dont give a toss either way, what I do care about is wether ppl are discriminated agaiinst for thier choice of lifestyle.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #23 September 24, 2003 QuoteStraight people get that benefit and Meunkel and Chuteless and Bush can't stand the thought of us getting that external assistance for some reason. They must want gay people to screw around. Whoa there Sparky. You obviously drew a conclusion about my personal beliefs from the Howard Dean thread. In that thread, I simply stated a fact that has nothing to do with my own personal beliefs. Go re-read what I wrote and notice that I was merely mentioning 2 laws that Gov. Dean signed that probably would not be very popular amongst mainstream America. I never mentioned my position. Hell, I don't even live in Vermont, so I never voted on it. If you want to know where I stand, then ask me. I truly believe I have no right to judge anyone's behavior but my own. One of my favorite dz.commers is openly gay. I have never judged his lifestyle, nor do I plan to. He has been nothing but courteous to me. In fact I consider him my friend I hope I have for a very long time. I understand your emotions on this topic. But realize that you just lumped me into a category that I do not belong to which ironically is what you are bitching about. I'll ask you two questions: Have I ever judged you or your lifestyle? Have I ever been anything but kind to you on these forums? Blue skies, Chris _________________________________________ Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymama 35 #24 September 24, 2003 If heterosexuals have to suffer through being married, it's only fair that homosexuals should too. She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man, because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #25 September 24, 2003 your attitude is exactly the same as all those people in Africa who spread aids around. "What Society thinks of me, I dont care. I just want to do what I want to do and I dont care about anybody else. I only care about ME, ME,, ME ME Bill Cole D-41 .. You have a very selfish, self centered attitude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
