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Is Bush's use of 9/11 footage in campaign ads in poor taste?

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There's a lot less of them.



Really? Seems to me there's been some heavy recruiting going on since we started pissing off more people. Do you have the latest census figures for terrorists?



We only need to count the dead ones to verify what I said.



That's the same logic Bush uses when he says he's created jobs. You only have to count the people hired, you don't have to count the higher number of people that have become unemployed.

Yes, we are killing terrorists, but a lot more are becoming terrorists than we are killing. We only need to count the dead Americans and Iraqi police to verify what I said.

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Yes, we are killing terrorists, but a lot more are becoming terrorists than we are killing. We only need to count the dead Americans and Iraqi police to verify what I said.



Untrue. There is no correlation between dead Iraqi policemen and the amount of terrorists.



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Quade-the economy is getting better. Because of your political position (and to a degree mine) you'll see bad news and blame in on GWB, I'll see good news and thank GWB.


"Yes, please tell me about companies being less inclined to lay off workers."

Full story:
The number of people filing new applications for unemployment benefits dropped last week, a sign that companies may be feeling better about the economic recovery's durability and less inclined to lay off workers.


The Labor Department (news - web sites) reported Thursday that for the work week ending Feb. 28 new filings for jobless benefits declined by a seasonally adjusted 7,000 to 345,000, the lowest level in two weeks. The decline was a bit steeper than the decrease of 5,000 that some analysts were forecasting.


Another report from the department said the productivity of American workers grew at a modest 2.6 percent annual rate in the final three months of 2003, according to revised figures. The new figure, which matched economists' expectations, was slightly slower than the 2.7 percent pace first estimated a month ago.


Productivity measures the amount a worker produces for each hour on the job. For all of 2003, productivity grew by a solid 4.4 percent, following a 5 percent increase for 2002.


Although the fourth-quarter's performance marked a slowdown from a sizable 9.5 percent growth rate in the previous quarter, it still represented a respectable pace that bodes well for the economic recovery.


In other economic news, many big retailers reported February sales above expectations, particularly at clothing stores including Limited Brands, Talbots and J.C. Penney Co. Inc. The strong results followed a robust January performance and signaled to analysts that consumers continue to be feel good about spending.


The Commerce Department (news - web sites) reported the orders to U.S. factories dropped by 0.5 percent in January, mostly reflecting weak demand for transportation equipment, especially airplanes. Excluding orders for transportation equipment, however, factory orders rose by a firm 1.4 percent.


In the layoffs report, the four-week moving average of claims, which smooths out weekly fluctuations, dipped last week to 352,250, a decrease of 3,000 from the previous week.


But even as companies have reduced the speed at which they lay off workers — they haven't been in a rush to hire people back.


A Federal Reserve (news - web sites) survey of business conditions around the country in January and February, released Wednesday, said employment was "growing slowly" in most Fed regions.


Looking ahead, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan (news - web sites) is optimistic that job growth, which has been poking along, will speed up.


"We could get a pop in employment at any time," Greenspan said last week.


Slow job growth has been a sore spot for President Bush (news - web sites) and is an election-year issue that Democrats have seized upon as evidence of what they believe to be Bush's poor handling of the economy.


The economy has lost 2.2 million workers since Bush took office in January 2001 as the economy fell into a recession, struggled to get back on its feet, and then staged a material rebound in the second half of last year.


Economists believe that productivity gains were a factor in the job losses. During a period of economic uncertainty, those productivity gains allowed companies to produce more with fewer people. In economic good times, productivity gains usually don't come at the expense of workers.


But Greenspan has said he is hopeful companies may soon need to step up hiring to meet customer demand because they will be running out of ways to squeeze ever-more efficiencies from existing workers.


In an encouraging sign on that front, companies in the fourth quarter boosted workers' hours at a 1.5 percent rate, the largest increase since the first quarter of 2000. Companies increased output in the fourth quarter at a 4.1 percent rate.





Analysts believe the nation's payrolls grew by a net 135,000 jobs in February, which would be an improvement from the 112,000 jobs added in January but would still mark a fairly lackluster pace. The employment report for February will be released Friday. Economists want to see the economy generate around 200,000 or 300,000 net jobs a month on a consistent basis before they declare a recovery in the fragile labor market.

Productivity gains, meanwhile, are important to the economy's long-term vitality. They allow the economy to grow faster without triggering inflation. Companies can pay workers more without raising prices, which would eat up those wage gains. Productivity also can bolster a company's profitability. As profits improve, companies may be more willing to ramp up capital investment and hiring.

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Yes, we are killing terrorists, but a lot more are becoming terrorists than we are killing. We only need to count the dead Americans and Iraqi police to verify what I said.



Untrue. There is no correlation between dead Iraqi policemen and the amount of terrorists.



You're right...I was using sarcasm to lampoon your statement. Because there is no correlation between dead terrorists and the rate of recruitment. Well, actually there is a correlation. The more we kill the more they recruit. Not saying we should stop hunting down terrorists, but face the facts, we haven't reduced the number of terrorists in the world that hate us, that number is increasing every day.

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We only need to count the dead ones to verify what I said



Well, it is probably true that of the group that were terrorists in 2001, there are fewer. That's a really safe statement.

Many other people have died in the world, too. Is the world population smaller?

Wendy W.



Your comparison is flawed. I have seen no credible evidence to indicate that there are more terrorists now than then. How does an increase in the worlds population translate to an increase in terrorists?



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Not saying we should stop hunting down terrorists, but face the facts, we haven't reduced the number of terrorists in the world that hate us, that number is increasing every day.



Face what facts?



Terrorism pays: Al Qaida offers recruits 10 times the norm

Al-Qaeda May Recruit Muslim Members of U.S. Military, Post Says


Many more links here:

http://www.intellnet.org/news/?type=category&value=Recruitment

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Not saying we should stop hunting down terrorists, but face the facts, we haven't reduced the number of terrorists in the world that hate us, that number is increasing every day.



Face what facts?



Terrorism pays: Al Qaida offers recruits 10 times the norm

Al-Qaeda May Recruit Muslim Members of U.S. Military, Post Says


Many more links here:

http://www.intellnet.org/news/?type=category&value=Recruitment



Offering them 10 times the rate. Seems to me that they're having a hard time finding people.



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In pure political speak, 9/11 was the major event of this Presidential term. To think that a politician would not use this is asinine (doesn't matter who's in the office).

Having said that, being reminded of 9/11 is painful and necessary.



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I agree.
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Just thought I tell you I feel safer and the economy seems better.



You're certainly entitled to your position.

However, if you feel safer it's only a feeling. I don't think you're safer because the organization that planned the attacks of September 11 -- they're still out there. Show me the head of Osama bin Laden and I'll say that's a step in the right direction.

As for the economy. Well, let's see . . . where do you want to start? Jobs? Strength of the dollar against the Euro? Deficits?

Tell me one area that has improved?

Oh, wait . . . taxes for the wealthiest 1% of the population are lower . . . dang, ya got me there.



OK - so you are in favor of socialism - everyone is entitled to an equal slice right. If I work harder than you to get somewhere - shouldn't I reap more benifits? Hey ya know - I think I should be getting a cut out of your earnings from being a video guy 'cause i shoot video too. Who care how many more jumps and how much more time and effort you put in than me - I am still entitled to it.(BULLSHIT!)

As far as feeling safer being just an illusion - let me ask you this -
If you were in a room ful of terrorists with guns - would you rather be there with organised terrorists with shiney new fully operational guns and ammo, or a room with a lot fewer, less organised, terrorists with weapons and ammo that Might or Might not work.

Safer - yes - Completely safe - Never, and never have been.
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Quade-the economy is getting better. Because of your political position (and to a degree mine) you'll see bad news and blame in on GWB, I'll see good news and thank GWB.



BETTER? Yeah, BETTER than the bottom of the GWB hole, but how 'bout better than when he took office? How 'bout even remotely CLOSE?

YEEHAW!!!! GWB has gotten us from 3 million jobs lost to ONLY 2.3 million jobs lost on his watch! He's our man!!! Deficits? Reagan proved THOSE DON'T MATTER!

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I would think a political ad. of... Presidential Adviser to President in classroom { Mr President the country is under attack} Presdient sits there..............................................and sits there.....................................and sits there................... with Stupified look on face with OH F@# now what the F#$ do I do..

Now there is a leader for you. A real Man of action.

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read more, the economy was tanking when he took office. You just can't blame the economy on ONE president. It would have tanked if Gore had won. You may argue the depth of "tanking" but not the direction.

Yep Reagn just drove us in the ground, Bill saved us then ol GWB killed us again.

Since I've posted more today than ever let me state for the record. Although I tend to vote Republican my biggest problem is with BOTH parties. KERRY or BUSH neither is offering anything new (yet). All we really have is people screaming "anybody but ________"

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Ok...finally got a chance to see them myself. I don't have a problem with them. From the article I had the impression that it was a commercial exclusively about 9/11 and using that as he's been using it to induce fear and uncertainty in an effort to get support. But the ads aren't offensive.

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Seems to me that they're having a hard time finding people.



The amount of terror attacks in the world (outside the US) has increased dramatically in the past 2 years with high death tolls. The largest were Bali, Turkey and now the latest ones in Iraq. There are smaller terror attacks around Asia every week. I know you guys don't give a f*** about what happens outside the US. Most of the attacks have direct correlation to actions of the US but who cares, its mostly "foreigners" being killed. There are indication that the invasion of Iraq has increased the recruiting of islamic terror organisations dramatically. Thank you Mr. Bush.
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your neighbor gets attacked and so puts up bars, guard dogs and alarms so the attackers suddenly find it easier to after your house instead and you criticize your neighbor??:S


the change in focus of attacks has far more 'direct correlation' to the fact that we hit back harder faster and far more effectively than the rest of the world at the moment, and as (the smarter ones at least) would rather not die in ineffective actions against hardened targets they go for the rest of the worlds softer underbelly.

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your neighbor gets attacked and so puts up bars, guard dogs and alarms so the attackers suddenly find it easier to after your house instead and you criticize your neighbor??



YES! it's your damn fault! This war on terror is in direct response to the U.S.A's war of terror for the last fifty years!

I would say the rest of the world is rather reluctant as opposed to being ineffective, most of the world does not want to be on this crusade, devised so Bush could get re-elected.

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>You just can't blame the economy on ONE president.

I think the president actually has very little to do with the economy, but that's probably because I'm registered as an independent. As far as I can tell, if the guy in the white house is in your party and the economy is doing well, it's his doing. If not, it's the fault of the last president in the _other_ party.

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>You just can't blame the economy on ONE president.

I think the president actually has very little to do with the economy, but that's probably because I'm registered as an independent. As far as I can tell, if the guy in the white house is in your party and the economy is doing well, it's his doing. If not, it's the fault of the last president in the _other_ party.



Bill, I actually did an analysis on the president in office (party) and it's effect on GDP. I found that there was no statistically significant effect to be found. So, sounds like you're right, or at least in agreement with me.

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>It's refreshing to see someone who can man up and not follow the flock . . .

Apparently the sheep in this case are not only the majority of people here, but also the families of 9/11 victims and firefighters. Where o where are those brave leaders who lost nothing in 9/11 and therefore have a much more valid opinion of what it means to people?

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Seems to me that they're having a hard time finding people.



The amount of terror attacks in the world (outside the US) has increased dramatically in the past 2 years with high death tolls.



Their governments should do something to stop it. Ours has.

The largest were Bali, Turkey and now the latest ones in Iraq. There are smaller terror attacks around Asia every week. I know you guys don't give a f*** about what happens outside the US. Most of the attacks have direct correlation to actions of the US but who cares, its mostly "foreigners" being killed.



It's not that we don't care, it's just that they don't want our help.


There are indication that the invasion of Iraq has increased the recruiting of islamic terror organisations dramatically.



Indications? How about hard data?


Thank you Mr. Bush.



I agree. I hope that he continues to hunt down terrorists in an effort to keep the USA safe.



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