Skylark 0 #1 January 28, 2004 QuoteI love animals, they're delicious! If God didn't want us to eat animals, He wouldn't have made them out of meat! Human animals are made of meat. You don't eat humans though, do you? No. All animals suffer pain, whether human-animals or non-human animals. If humans treated other species with a bit more respect by not eating them, maybe we could learn to treat each other a bit better "Into the dangerous world I leapt..." William Blake, Songs of Experience Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #2 January 28, 2004 QuoteIf humans treated other species with a bit more respect by not eating them psst we wasnt made to only eat green stuffIts called naturebut you have a point in the thing that we need some respect..but were only human Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base704 0 #3 January 29, 2004 QuoteHuman animals are made of meat. You don't eat humans though, do you? No. All animals suffer pain, whether human-animals or non-human animals. If humans treated other species with a bit more respect by not eating them, maybe we could learn to treat each other a bit better It's called the food chain, people; we're on top... deal with it.You can get a lot more done with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #4 January 29, 2004 QuoteIt's called the food chain, people; we're on top... Bump into Mr. Tiger out in the wild and he may tend to disagree with that statement. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skylark 0 #5 January 29, 2004 QuoteIt's called the food chain, people; we're on top...deal with it. Sharks eat humans thus are higher above us in your 'food chain'. Would you be happy throwing a human to a shark? No. Deal with it. "Into the dangerous world I leapt..." William Blake, Songs of Experience Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouYoung 0 #6 January 29, 2004 QuoteSharks eat humans thus are higher above us in your 'food chain'. Humans are on top because we have thumbs; we can reason. With thumbs, we can build a tool, and with that tool, we can swim with the sharks, or kill them. Same with the tigers. Occasionally a cat beats a dog in a street fight, but the dog generally has the upper hand. Lou Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base704 0 #7 January 29, 2004 QuoteBump into Mr. Tiger out in the wild and he may tend to disagree with that statement. I don't believe I'll have to worry about Mr.Tiger here in urban N.C. QuoteSharks eat humans thus are higher above us in your 'food chain'. Would you be happy throwing a human to a shark? No. Deal with it. Again...I don't spend a lot of time in the ocean, so sharks are pretty much out of the picture as well. As far as throwing a human to a shark, I guess that would depend on which human...You can get a lot more done with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RampRat 0 #8 March 15, 2004 I recall after the Exxon/Valedz incident, an otter was rescued and nursed back to health at a cost of over $35,000. The day of re-releasing the otter back into the wild came. The whole town showed up. Marching bands, the mayor, school kids, bleachers full of people. The otter was weeled to the shoreline in a marvelously hand-made wooden cart. The cart was opened and the otter scurried into the water and began floating on his back out into the sound........whereupon within minutes, a killer whale came from beneath and swallowed it whole. I can also recall the many episodes of Discovery Channel, watching adult lions kill and eat baby gazelles. Until animals learn to respect each others rights, they cannot be said to have rights of their own. One can only have rights if he can excersise them. That being said, time to throw a porterhouse steak on the grill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 8 #9 March 15, 2004 I don't get it..... Bridge Day????=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 22 #10 March 15, 2004 see this threadThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #11 March 15, 2004 life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on.....____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 4 #12 March 15, 2004 You recall that, huh? http://www.snopes.com/humor/lists/fakenews.htm .... yawn....it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kong 0 #13 March 15, 2004 Mr. Rifle sais otherwise....ever see a tiger fire a rifle? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maxmadmax 8 #14 March 15, 2004 PETA stands for People for Eating Tasty Animals If a vegetarian eats vegetables...... Will a humanitarian eat humans? Don't go away mad....just go away! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflybella 0 #15 March 15, 2004 The food chain argument is an old (silly) one. No other species systematically confines, tortures and mechanically executes thousands of animals daily. It IS a killing machine - it is NOT out of necessity. The food chain is the NATURAL order of dominion - factory farms ARE NOT natural. Vanity, gluttony and greed are the only reasons we continue to eat meat as a species. We have the ability to evolve beyond the 'desire' to eat meat. Just because we CAN eat meat, doesn't mean we should. In fact, once we realize we have such GOD-like power over animals - doesn't it require that we offer GOD-like care and mercy? It's not about what's 'rightfully' ours to take. It's about how we take it. And what we nurture and what we destroy as a result. Action expresses priority. - Mahatma Ghandi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrunkMonkey 0 #16 March 15, 2004 QuoteThe food chain argument is an old (silly) one. No other species systematically confines, tortures and mechanically executes thousands of animals daily. It IS a killing machine - it is NOT out of necessity. The food chain is the NATURAL order of dominion - factory farms ARE NOT natural. Vanity, gluttony and greed are the only reasons we continue to eat meat as a species. We have the ability to evolve beyond the 'desire' to eat meat. Just because we CAN eat meat, doesn't mean we should. In fact, once we realize we have such GOD-like power over animals - doesn't it require that we offer GOD-like care and mercy? It's not about what's 'rightfully' ours to take. It's about how we take it. And what we nurture and what we destroy as a result. BIBLE LESSONS ABOUT ANIMALS: THE BIBLE TERM FOR ANIMALS IS BEAST: In the O.T. there are primarily two Hebrew words translated "beast" in the KJV: (1) chay (Ge. 1:24,25,30; 2:19-20; 3:1; 8:19; 9:2; 37:20), and (2) behemah (Ge. 6:7; 7:2; 34:23; Ex. 8:17). Chay emphasizes the living, moving, breathing aspect of an animal. It is also translated "alive," "running," and "springing." Behemah emphasizes the brute aspect to an animal, the fact that they do not have an eternal, living soul like man does. It is from a Hebrew root meaning "mute." In the N.T. there are three Greek words translated "beast" in the KJV. (1) "Ktenos" refers to a domesticated animal (Lk. 10:34). (2) "Therion" refers to a wild, dangerous animal (Ac. 28:4-5). The Antichrist is described with this term (Re. 11:7; 13:1-18; 14:9,11; 15:2; 16:2,10,13; 17:3-17; 19:19-20; 20:4,10). (3) "Zoon" refers to a living creature in general, not necessarily an animal, and describes some of the angelic beings of Revelation (Re. 4:7; 6:3,5,7). ANIMALS AND PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT CREATIONS: The first thing to note from Scripture is that animals and mankind are two different creations. Man is not a higher animal. Evolution is a lie. Man was created distinctly in the image of God (Ge. 1:24-28). Animals were not made in the image of God. Animals do not have a living soul. They are not eternal beings; man is (Ge. 2:7). Man is infinitely higher than and different from the animal kingdom. The Lord Jesus Christ referred to this fact in Lk. 12:5-7. "But I forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him. Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God? But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows." There are two important truths in this passage about animals and man. First, we see that God does care for animals; he does not forget even the tiny sparrow. Second, though, we see that man is infinitely greater in value than the animals because man has an eternal soul. Man will be held accountable for his actions. Without a Savior, sinful man will spend eternity in Hell. ANIMALS WERE MADE FOR MAN'S PLEASURE: We see further that the Bible says animals were made for man's pleasure and use. Man was not made for the world; the world was made for man. Even the stars of the universe were made for man (Ps. 8:4-8). The Psalmist sees the animal kingdom under man's feet. This does not mean that man has a right to be cruel toward animals; it means man has a divine right to rule over the creation and to use it for his purposes and needs. The Bible enjoins kindness even toward the dumb creatures of this world (Pr. 12:10). ANIMALS ARE FOR MAN'S FOOD: From the time of Noah until today God has ordained that man eat animal flesh (Ge. 9:3). The nation Israel ate meat. The Lord Jesus Christ ate meat. The Passover meal was lamb (Ex. 12:5-10), and Christ ate the Passover (Mt. 26:17-19). What about Christians? The Apostle Peter was certainly a Christian, and in a vision from God he was commanded to eat meat (Ac. 10:10-13). The vision was to impress Peter that Gentile believers were not unclean, but the fact remains that God commanded Peter to eat of the various meats. God would not have done that if He abhorred meat eating. The vision in Ac. 10 also shows that God has removed the O.T. dietary restrictions. Some would have us believe that restrictions against pork and other meats were for medical purposes. That's not the case. Those restrictions were for the purpose of making Israel separate from the nations and for teaching her the difference between holy and unholy. God has removed all such dietary restrictions. In fact, the Bible warns against those who would promote vegetarianism. In 1 Ti. 4:1-5 we read of those who "command to abstain from meats," and we are told that this is a doctrine of devils! The Bible clearly says that God created animals to be eaten. It is not cruel to kill an animal in hunting or fishing, and to eat it. It is not cruel to slaughter animals for food. That is one of the reasons God made animals. Christians are free to eat meats or not to eat meats. This is the teaching of Ro. 14:2-3,6. Away with those dietary laws which purport to be Christian. If a Christian wants to eat a certain kind of food--only vegetables, for example--that is fine. If he wants to avoid something such as sugar or pork, fine. Let him eat what he feels God would have him eat, and what he feels will best benefit him. But let that one be careful that he not make his own conscience a law for others. The N.T. forbids dietary laws for religious purposes. ANIMALS ILLUSTRATE MAN'S SALVATION: Animals were used by God to illustrate salvation to the human race. In the Garden of Eden, when the man and woman had sinned, God made "coats of skins, and clothed them" (Ge. 3:21). Where did God get those coats of skins? From innocent animals that died that man might have a covering for his sinful condition. And note that it was God who provided the covering. God must provide salvation. Man cannot earn it himself. Salvation is a gift of grace, "not of works, lest any man should boast" (Ep. 2:9). From Eden to Calvary, the blood of animals was shed to illustrate salvation. Man is a fallen sinner who must have salvation from sin's penalty, and that salvation was purchased by Jesus Christ on the Cross. There He shed His blood and died for payment for man's sin. Those who trust Him receive eternal life. This is the Gospel that was preached so eloquently by the animal sacrifices. "Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world" (Jn. 1:29). That is what John the Baptist said of Christ. The Bible enjoins us to Look and Live. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved" (Ac. 16:31). Man is the crown of creation, but he is fallen and cannot be what God intended him to be until he is born again through the blood of Jesus Christ. http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/fbns/fbns50.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #17 March 15, 2004 Quote If humans treated other species with a bit more respect by not eating them, maybe we could learn to treat each other a bit better FACT: Humans are predatory by nature, much like the lion and the tiger. Yet we classify them as animals too, do we not? So, should we instead hold a class for those animals to teach them to "treat others with respect"? If you try this, please, I really wanna see video. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #18 March 15, 2004 QuoteFACT: Humans are predatory by nature, much like the lion and the tiger. Remove all clothing and drop all the weapons. Walk out to an area with lots of edible fruits and other vegitation. It's also full of predatory animals. Go attack the lion or other beast with your claws and teeth. Put a child in a room with a banana and a bunny. The child will eat the banana and pet the bunny every time. ... so many more... off to work... c-yaMy grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #19 March 15, 2004 So we need to capture EVERY predatory animal and make them non predatory - make them all eat vegetables.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MagicLou 0 #20 March 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteIt's called the food chain, people; we're on top...deal with it. Sharks eat humans thus are higher above us in your 'food chain'. Would you be happy throwing a human to a shark? No. Deal with it. No, but i'll bet there's a few skydivers Chaoskitty would like to feed to Jaws! Lou ___________________________________ . . . now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb - Dark Helmet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #21 March 15, 2004 QuoteQuoteFACT: Humans are predatory by nature, much like the lion and the tiger. Remove all clothing and drop all the weapons. Walk out to an area with lots of edible fruits and other vegitation. It's also full of predatory animals. Go attack the lion or other beast with your claws and teeth. Put a child in a room with a banana and a bunny. The child will eat the banana and pet the bunny every time. ... so many more... off to work... c-ya So we're not physically equipped to kill tigers, but supposedly the one thing that separated man from beast in the beginning was his ability to use tools. In this case, weapons. And children for the most part are harmless, simply because they don't know yet of the evils of the world, such as the need to kill for that piece of chicken they gobble up at dinner time. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #22 March 15, 2004 And set that kid in fwitha nice fluffy fuullyt grown tiger and the kid is dinner. ANY animal that eats and is hungry enough or has a sense of survival would eat the kid. What sets us apart is, yes, the ability to make tools, but also the abiolity to make decisions - Do we need to eat meat? I don't know - should we eat meat - Hell yeah - can you imagine what would happen to the worlds eco system if we didn't?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #23 March 15, 2004 QuoteThe food chain argument is an old (silly) one. No other species systematically confines, tortures and mechanically executes thousands of animals daily. It IS a killing machine - it is NOT out of necessity. The food chain is the NATURAL order of dominion - factory farms ARE NOT natural. Vanity, gluttony and greed are the only reasons we continue to eat meat as a species. We have the ability to evolve beyond the 'desire' to eat meat. Just because we CAN eat meat, doesn't mean we should. In fact, once we realize we have such GOD-like power over animals - doesn't it require that we offer GOD-like care and mercy? It's not about what's 'rightfully' ours to take. It's about how we take it. And what we nurture and what we destroy as a result. I think you need a really good Texas Steak. Its damn good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hookitt 0 #24 March 15, 2004 QuoteHell yeah - can you imagine what would happen to the worlds eco system if we didn't? Are you saying all the mass produced cows are part of an eco system? I say Mass produced because there's nothing natural about the way cows are raised. Mass removal of trees so cows can graze is not natural either. Eco-system has nothing to so with eating animals.My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #25 March 15, 2004 QuoteAnd set that kid in fwitha nice fluffy fuullyt grown tiger and the kid is dinner. ANY animal that eats and is hungry enough or has a sense of survival would eat the kid. What sets us apart is, yes, the ability to make tools, but also the abiolity to make decisions - Do we need to eat meat? I don't know - should we eat meat - Hell yeah - can you imagine what would happen to the worlds eco system if we didn't? Good point, shell thief. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
