osuskydiver 0 #51 March 13, 2004 Funny story with me about the 2 in the chest and 1 in the head. Went through a shoot don't shoot scenario in military police training. It was an awesome $1million video game. Everytime I jad to shoot I did 2 center 1 head, complimented on my shooting and then dropped, because my CO did not think it was right for MP's to shoot people in the head. But more than likely I woudl end up shooting center mass because that is what I was trained, but if during the heat of the moment when my house is being burglarized and I feel threated, if a part of me remembers shoot to wound then I will. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #52 March 13, 2004 You're a wise man...PeacefulJeffrey! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #53 March 13, 2004 QuoteIt's a LOT different when the real bullets are flying in your direction, though. Brings out a different kind of stress in you. I would imagine. I've never experienced it, hope I don't have to. Although I'm going to train as realistic as I can. "Train for the worst, hope for the best..."--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites osuskydiver 0 #54 March 13, 2004 QuoteIt's a LOT different when the real bullets are flying in your direction, though. Brings out a different kind of stress in you. Completely understand, that is why I can not say for 100% i knwo what I would do, but just hope that training kicks in instead of fear. Also hope I am never in a situation where I will have to find out what I will do, but if so I hope I will do everything right and not let my anyone down. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #55 March 13, 2004 It will. Just remember. Smooth is fast and fast is smooth. Do what you're trained to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Duckwater 0 #56 March 13, 2004 Would it be inappropriate to come clean at this time and admit I'm a burglar trying to gauge the reaction of my victims? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites osuskydiver 0 #57 March 13, 2004 QuoteWould it be inappropriate to come clean at this time and admit I'm a burglar trying to gauge the reaction of my victims? i knew there was a hidden meaning in this thread. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jimbo 0 #58 March 13, 2004 Quoteif possible, I'd hold him at gunpoint until the cops arrived, but don't take that to mean I'd hesitate to shoot him if he became a threat. Exactly. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #59 March 13, 2004 That's cool. I kind of respect someone that does his research and planning ahead of time. I REALLY hate dumb criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #60 March 13, 2004 Fla. Law 776.031 Use of force in defense of others. A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to prevent or terminate such other's trespass on, or other tortious or criminal interference with, either real property other than a dwelling or personal property, lawfully in his or her possession or in the possession of another who is a member of his or her immediate family or household or of a person whose property he or she has a legal duty to protect. However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. 776.08 Forcible felony "Forcible felony" means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual. Construe the law any way you want. You come into my house in any state (uninvited) I am going to feel you are a threat to my and mines lives and I am going to shoot to kill. Shoot first ask questions later. Better him than you. The cops do it all the timeI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Duckwater 0 #61 March 13, 2004 Thanks for putting Law behind my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pajarito 0 #62 March 13, 2004 I feared for my life and the lives of my family. End of story. Have a nice night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpinfarmer 0 #63 March 13, 2004 I caught a kid stealing gas from the farm tank one night and held him at gun point. When I told him I was going to shoot him so he wouldn't go anywhere he started to cry and wet his pants. He was no threat so I just let him go I felt he had learned his lesson. The next day he came back and again said how sorry he was and wanted to make it up to us. He spent the next few days stacking hay and picking up rocks in the 90 degree sun, and yes I paid him I didn't use him like a slave. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites osuskydiver 0 #64 March 13, 2004 That was nice of you...to pay him. Bet that kid did learn his lesson. Better there with you then 5 years down the road at a state prison. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Snowwhite 0 #65 March 13, 2004 Been held up at knife point TWICE. If I had had a gun, would have been a mess, but there probably wouldn't have been a second guy brave enough to try it.skydiveTaylorville.org [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpinfarmer 0 #66 March 13, 2004 He was no criminal, just a kid who had been dared to steal something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Duckwater 0 #67 March 13, 2004 QuoteBeen held up at knife point TWICE. If I had had a gun, would have been a mess, but there probably wouldn't have been a second guy brave enough to try it. Kennedy (no relation to the liberal Democrats) probably thinks you should have given your wallet and offered the assailants to carve their gang signs in your flesh with their butterfly knives. I would have capped them like you but I am naive and a redneck out for blood that has a poll that is invalid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites osuskydiver 0 #68 March 13, 2004 ouch....that hurts By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slug 1 #69 March 13, 2004 A liquor store owner in K.C. Mo was tire of being robbed so he armed himself. Two guy's entered his store one waited at the door the other approached the counter with his hand in his pocket and said give me money or I kill you. Store owner (old fart) Shot the guy at the counter (hand still in pocket) shot him again as he was leaving the store (the look out already split). The robber collapsed in the parking lot cussed at the store owner who then finished him off. All the robber had in his pockeet was his hand. (cheapskate). DA prosecuted the store owner for shooting the robber outside the store. Owner found not guility because fatal shot was fired inside the store Kind of hard to stop the adrenaline at the door when some one threatens to kill you in your store. The robber never came backIMO not the same as someone stealing your car or stealing some stuff from the ground floor of your house and your sleeping quarters are upstairs. Mossberg 12 ga home defender 18.5" barrelbad guy enters bedroom after hearing the round going into the chamber to bad so sad 00 buck can't miss. Bad news got a big mess to clean up and a damaged door and wall. R.I.P. PS laws vary by state so shooters beware. Some people (police included) in high stress situations miss some of the time with handguns. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shark 0 #70 March 13, 2004 QuoteWould you shoot someone robbing your house? Double tap to the forehead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gemini 0 #71 March 13, 2004 Zenster is right, except I would add that anyone who says shoot to wound has obviously never been in the situation. When you pull it out you shoot and you don't stop till they are gone. If you are really lucky he didn't return fire. Now that 4 0r 5 seconds have elapsed .... Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites D22369 0 #72 March 13, 2004 firearm rule one as taught by my father and grandfather.. Never draw aim at any living thing you are not prepared to kill. Quote Amen.... I was raised to defend my family, If an intruder enters and I have the means to take his life, I will with no hesitation. My girlfriend is of very slight build and the three children 6, 10, 11 years old would be no threat to an muscular or armed assailant. In this situation I will be the last line of defense..... RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #73 March 13, 2004 I didn't like any of the answers the poll offered so I didn't vote. I keep a pellet rifle that will shoot a hole through 1/4" plywood, but just having something that looks like a real gun can be somewhat of a deterrent, but I'm not going to shoot unless someone makes a threatening move. I've been broken into twice. The first time they broke in the back door and took my skydiving video camera. The second time, the window in the garage was smashed and most of the power tools were taken. Both times nobody was home. If I were to catch one in my house next time, and I bet it would be the same asshole, I'm liable to beat the hell out of him! All I really need is to catch the SOB and corner him somehow or get a good look at his face, as the police station is only 2 miles away and they respond fast. Generally, you're allowed to shoot or attack in self-defense if you are being threatened with bodily harm. There was one very sad incident in Birmingham last week when two young pre-teen girls were home and their uncle came in stone drunk and started yelling and chasing them and beating them up. One of the girls grabbed a knife and stabbed her uncle in the back while he repeated punched her sister. He bled to death. You sometimes have to do what you have to, to stop the threat. What's worse is that the girls loved him, despite his drinking problem. Blue Skies Billy"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WFFC 1 #74 March 13, 2004 QuoteWarning shots are not in my vocabulary...and goes against all training. True...but, I also believe in giving them a second thought at what they're faced with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WFFC 1 #75 March 13, 2004 QuoteSo you loose a round into nothing in your house? At the time of my incident, I was single and lived in the house by myself. QuoteIf you've ever actually been trained in tactical defense, you would know how asinine your 3 steps are. You're right. btw, was trained to shoot when I was a teenager by a neighbor who was a SWAT sniper. Obviously a bit different in this type of situation, but I do know how to shoot and wouldn't miss unless I intended to. Sidenote, I do own a couple guns right now but they're museum pieces (Quackenbush for reference) and I will be getting my dad's Beretta out of Mom's house in the next couple of weeks since none of the brother's wives will let them have guns in the house. will be heading to a range to get current with it too.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 3 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
AggieDave 6 #53 March 13, 2004 QuoteIt's a LOT different when the real bullets are flying in your direction, though. Brings out a different kind of stress in you. I would imagine. I've never experienced it, hope I don't have to. Although I'm going to train as realistic as I can. "Train for the worst, hope for the best..."--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osuskydiver 0 #54 March 13, 2004 QuoteIt's a LOT different when the real bullets are flying in your direction, though. Brings out a different kind of stress in you. Completely understand, that is why I can not say for 100% i knwo what I would do, but just hope that training kicks in instead of fear. Also hope I am never in a situation where I will have to find out what I will do, but if so I hope I will do everything right and not let my anyone down. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #55 March 13, 2004 It will. Just remember. Smooth is fast and fast is smooth. Do what you're trained to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #56 March 13, 2004 Would it be inappropriate to come clean at this time and admit I'm a burglar trying to gauge the reaction of my victims? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osuskydiver 0 #57 March 13, 2004 QuoteWould it be inappropriate to come clean at this time and admit I'm a burglar trying to gauge the reaction of my victims? i knew there was a hidden meaning in this thread. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #58 March 13, 2004 Quoteif possible, I'd hold him at gunpoint until the cops arrived, but don't take that to mean I'd hesitate to shoot him if he became a threat. Exactly. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #59 March 13, 2004 That's cool. I kind of respect someone that does his research and planning ahead of time. I REALLY hate dumb criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #60 March 13, 2004 Fla. Law 776.031 Use of force in defense of others. A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to prevent or terminate such other's trespass on, or other tortious or criminal interference with, either real property other than a dwelling or personal property, lawfully in his or her possession or in the possession of another who is a member of his or her immediate family or household or of a person whose property he or she has a legal duty to protect. However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. 776.08 Forcible felony "Forcible felony" means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual. Construe the law any way you want. You come into my house in any state (uninvited) I am going to feel you are a threat to my and mines lives and I am going to shoot to kill. Shoot first ask questions later. Better him than you. The cops do it all the timeI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #61 March 13, 2004 Thanks for putting Law behind my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #62 March 13, 2004 I feared for my life and the lives of my family. End of story. Have a nice night. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinfarmer 0 #63 March 13, 2004 I caught a kid stealing gas from the farm tank one night and held him at gun point. When I told him I was going to shoot him so he wouldn't go anywhere he started to cry and wet his pants. He was no threat so I just let him go I felt he had learned his lesson. The next day he came back and again said how sorry he was and wanted to make it up to us. He spent the next few days stacking hay and picking up rocks in the 90 degree sun, and yes I paid him I didn't use him like a slave. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osuskydiver 0 #64 March 13, 2004 That was nice of you...to pay him. Bet that kid did learn his lesson. Better there with you then 5 years down the road at a state prison. By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowwhite 0 #65 March 13, 2004 Been held up at knife point TWICE. If I had had a gun, would have been a mess, but there probably wouldn't have been a second guy brave enough to try it.skydiveTaylorville.org [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinfarmer 0 #66 March 13, 2004 He was no criminal, just a kid who had been dared to steal something. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duckwater 0 #67 March 13, 2004 QuoteBeen held up at knife point TWICE. If I had had a gun, would have been a mess, but there probably wouldn't have been a second guy brave enough to try it. Kennedy (no relation to the liberal Democrats) probably thinks you should have given your wallet and offered the assailants to carve their gang signs in your flesh with their butterfly knives. I would have capped them like you but I am naive and a redneck out for blood that has a poll that is invalid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osuskydiver 0 #68 March 13, 2004 ouch....that hurts By the time you read this you have already read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #69 March 13, 2004 A liquor store owner in K.C. Mo was tire of being robbed so he armed himself. Two guy's entered his store one waited at the door the other approached the counter with his hand in his pocket and said give me money or I kill you. Store owner (old fart) Shot the guy at the counter (hand still in pocket) shot him again as he was leaving the store (the look out already split). The robber collapsed in the parking lot cussed at the store owner who then finished him off. All the robber had in his pockeet was his hand. (cheapskate). DA prosecuted the store owner for shooting the robber outside the store. Owner found not guility because fatal shot was fired inside the store Kind of hard to stop the adrenaline at the door when some one threatens to kill you in your store. The robber never came backIMO not the same as someone stealing your car or stealing some stuff from the ground floor of your house and your sleeping quarters are upstairs. Mossberg 12 ga home defender 18.5" barrelbad guy enters bedroom after hearing the round going into the chamber to bad so sad 00 buck can't miss. Bad news got a big mess to clean up and a damaged door and wall. R.I.P. PS laws vary by state so shooters beware. Some people (police included) in high stress situations miss some of the time with handguns. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #70 March 13, 2004 QuoteWould you shoot someone robbing your house? Double tap to the forehead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #71 March 13, 2004 Zenster is right, except I would add that anyone who says shoot to wound has obviously never been in the situation. When you pull it out you shoot and you don't stop till they are gone. If you are really lucky he didn't return fire. Now that 4 0r 5 seconds have elapsed .... Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #72 March 13, 2004 firearm rule one as taught by my father and grandfather.. Never draw aim at any living thing you are not prepared to kill. Quote Amen.... I was raised to defend my family, If an intruder enters and I have the means to take his life, I will with no hesitation. My girlfriend is of very slight build and the three children 6, 10, 11 years old would be no threat to an muscular or armed assailant. In this situation I will be the last line of defense..... RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #73 March 13, 2004 I didn't like any of the answers the poll offered so I didn't vote. I keep a pellet rifle that will shoot a hole through 1/4" plywood, but just having something that looks like a real gun can be somewhat of a deterrent, but I'm not going to shoot unless someone makes a threatening move. I've been broken into twice. The first time they broke in the back door and took my skydiving video camera. The second time, the window in the garage was smashed and most of the power tools were taken. Both times nobody was home. If I were to catch one in my house next time, and I bet it would be the same asshole, I'm liable to beat the hell out of him! All I really need is to catch the SOB and corner him somehow or get a good look at his face, as the police station is only 2 miles away and they respond fast. Generally, you're allowed to shoot or attack in self-defense if you are being threatened with bodily harm. There was one very sad incident in Birmingham last week when two young pre-teen girls were home and their uncle came in stone drunk and started yelling and chasing them and beating them up. One of the girls grabbed a knife and stabbed her uncle in the back while he repeated punched her sister. He bled to death. You sometimes have to do what you have to, to stop the threat. What's worse is that the girls loved him, despite his drinking problem. Blue Skies Billy"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WFFC 1 #74 March 13, 2004 QuoteWarning shots are not in my vocabulary...and goes against all training. True...but, I also believe in giving them a second thought at what they're faced with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WFFC 1 #75 March 13, 2004 QuoteSo you loose a round into nothing in your house? At the time of my incident, I was single and lived in the house by myself. QuoteIf you've ever actually been trained in tactical defense, you would know how asinine your 3 steps are. You're right. btw, was trained to shoot when I was a teenager by a neighbor who was a SWAT sniper. Obviously a bit different in this type of situation, but I do know how to shoot and wouldn't miss unless I intended to. Sidenote, I do own a couple guns right now but they're museum pieces (Quackenbush for reference) and I will be getting my dad's Beretta out of Mom's house in the next couple of weeks since none of the brother's wives will let them have guns in the house. will be heading to a range to get current with it too.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 3 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
BillyVance 34 #73 March 13, 2004 I didn't like any of the answers the poll offered so I didn't vote. I keep a pellet rifle that will shoot a hole through 1/4" plywood, but just having something that looks like a real gun can be somewhat of a deterrent, but I'm not going to shoot unless someone makes a threatening move. I've been broken into twice. The first time they broke in the back door and took my skydiving video camera. The second time, the window in the garage was smashed and most of the power tools were taken. Both times nobody was home. If I were to catch one in my house next time, and I bet it would be the same asshole, I'm liable to beat the hell out of him! All I really need is to catch the SOB and corner him somehow or get a good look at his face, as the police station is only 2 miles away and they respond fast. Generally, you're allowed to shoot or attack in self-defense if you are being threatened with bodily harm. There was one very sad incident in Birmingham last week when two young pre-teen girls were home and their uncle came in stone drunk and started yelling and chasing them and beating them up. One of the girls grabbed a knife and stabbed her uncle in the back while he repeated punched her sister. He bled to death. You sometimes have to do what you have to, to stop the threat. What's worse is that the girls loved him, despite his drinking problem. Blue Skies Billy"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #74 March 13, 2004 QuoteWarning shots are not in my vocabulary...and goes against all training. True...but, I also believe in giving them a second thought at what they're faced with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WFFC 1 #75 March 13, 2004 QuoteSo you loose a round into nothing in your house? At the time of my incident, I was single and lived in the house by myself. QuoteIf you've ever actually been trained in tactical defense, you would know how asinine your 3 steps are. You're right. btw, was trained to shoot when I was a teenager by a neighbor who was a SWAT sniper. Obviously a bit different in this type of situation, but I do know how to shoot and wouldn't miss unless I intended to. Sidenote, I do own a couple guns right now but they're museum pieces (Quackenbush for reference) and I will be getting my dad's Beretta out of Mom's house in the next couple of weeks since none of the brother's wives will let them have guns in the house. will be heading to a range to get current with it too.----- ~~~Michael Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
