Amazon 7 #26 March 18, 2004 Quoteno, no, no, its joke em if they can't take a fuck. OBVIOUSLY many of them around here cant.... By the way that is ONE of my favorite sayings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #27 March 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteDo you think that our foreign policy ought to be designed with the primary goal of making all other nations on earth love us? Or do you think we should stand for certain principles like freedom, democracy and human rights, and not give a damn about the opinions of those who don't agree with those goals I would prefer our foreign policy to based on moral superiority as a ROLE model instead of bludgening other nations into agreeing with us. Our SUPPOSED pinciples of freedom( for who), democracy( you gotta be shitting me we dont even have that in this country) and human rights( better than some worse than some countries ) We need to fix out own shit before people dont think we are nothing more than what this administration is Backwards greedy religeous whackos who want to foist thier worldview on others. Um, we've been a role model with more freedom and liberty than any other country in the world for over 200 years. They don't have to look far IF they want to see a country striving to let its people live free and happy. We ARE a role model. When other countries fester in tyranny AND make attempts to spread their way of doing things, we have an obligation to ourselves and the rest of the free world to stop such movements in their tracks. It's like if you saw a rapist pouncing on a woman in an alley. Would you try to saunter by with a "look-I'M-not-raping-a-woman-why-don't-you-be-like-me" kind of demeanor or would you say that intervention is called-for? For some, who are not interested in behaving in an acceptable manner, setting a good example will be ignored. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #28 March 18, 2004 QuoteUm, we've been a role model with more freedom and liberty than any other country in the world for over 200 years And with this administration for the first time all that has gone right out the door. ALL of the goodwill we had will almost EVERY country in the world after 9/11 is now gone. Now most of the world sees us as something more to be feared than to be respected.. YUPO we shocked and AWED all of em. pffft Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fool 0 #29 March 18, 2004 I think that may have happened quite a bit before 9/11... I'm not saying who's wrong or right, I don't really know actually... I did however like the fact that Jon Stewart on the Daily Show made a comment something like... Since the war in Iraq, we've caused instability there, and socialism in Spain... not exactly democracy, but we're working on it. I wish I had a better short term memory cause damn that was funny... cause it's true S.E.X. party #1 "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "f*#k, what a ride". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #30 March 18, 2004 Quote Now most of the world sees us as something more to be feared than to be respected.. YUPO we shocked and AWED all of em. "It is better to be feared than to be loved." --Niccolo Machiavelli, in "The Prince" mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #31 March 18, 2004 And the City states of Italy in the 13th to 15 th centery were in a constant state of war... good example... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #32 March 18, 2004 Yet they were eventually united. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #33 March 18, 2004 DUDE have you checked Italian Politics in even the 20th centery.... how many governments???? the fighting went on for hundreds of years.. even the Vatican still has the guards in the cute little uniforms from that time period.. Again its a really poor role model.. the Macheavelli's were truely evil....are you saying our administration wants to go there..???? Wait so thats where they learned the lies and deciet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #34 March 18, 2004 "Wait so thats where they learned the lies and deciet" George Dubbya Borgia? -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #35 March 18, 2004 It's like if you saw a rapist pouncing on a woman in an alley. Would you try to saunter by with a "look-I'M-not-raping-a-woman-why-don't-you-be-like-me" kind of demeanor or would you say that intervention is called-for? For some, who are not interested in behaving in an acceptable manner, setting a good example will be ignored. - ---Jeffrey ----------------------------------------------------------------- Subtute the word Halburton with rapist and Iraq with women, and you pretty much get the picture. blues Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #36 March 18, 2004 QuoteIt's like if you saw a rapist pouncing on a woman in an alley. Would you try to saunter by with a "look-I'M-not-raping-a-woman-why-don't-you-be-like-me" kind of demeanor or would you say that intervention is called-for? For some, who are not interested in behaving in an acceptable manner, setting a good example will be ignored. - ---Jeffrey ----------------------------------------------------------------- Subtute the word Halburton with rapist and Iraq with women, and you pretty much get the picture. blues "Haliburton is raping Iraqi women?" In less than 10 months, we just might get to see a "Real Man" (tm) in the White House. Wonder who the libs will march in protest against then...? mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #37 March 18, 2004 And your point is?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #38 March 18, 2004 'Um, we've been a role model with more freedom and liberty than any other country in the world for over 200 years. They don't have to look far IF they want to see a country striving to let its people live free and happy. We ARE a role model. When other countries fester in tyranny AND make attempts to spread their way of doing things, we have an obligation to ourselves and the rest of the free world to stop such movements in their tracks.' Err... How long ago was it that aparthied ended in America? What was up with that McCarthy thing? Freedom? Get off your high horse old boy! The only time your current government wants to intervene is when Oil or political/ strategic gain is involved. Other wise Zimbabwe would have a McDonalds on every corner by now.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #39 March 18, 2004 Quote"Wait so thats where they learned the lies and deciet" George Dubbya Borgia? No, Karl Rove appers to be a naturally evil man, no training required. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newsstand 0 #40 March 18, 2004 QuoteNews from Aljazeera: "In a head-to-head race between Kerry and President George Bush, 54% of Arab Americans polled in Michigan, Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania said they would vote for Kerry verses 30% for Bush..." Full Story Here I didn't see the final tally and am to lazy to search but the last time I saw the thread about 52 - 54 percent of DZ.commers were for Kerry too. "Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #41 March 18, 2004 QuoteQuotePersonally, I don't give a shit about the opinions of those that think that suicide bombings of innocent people are justifiable (as per that link). And we shouldn't be courting the favor of such monsters. More incredible arrogance - a teeny narrow little American view. Well if you plan on running for office with a position of currying favor from nations who believe in mass murder of innocent people, then don't count on my vote. If that's your definition of "arrogance", then I'm proud of my "arrogant" opposition to suicide bombings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,145 #42 March 18, 2004 QuoteThe point is whatever you want to make of it. You don't need me to tell you how to think. Yes because when the almighty John Rich shares his opinion we all agree and want to think that way as well. Or you could post something and include your opinion on the matter. It is often the polite and somewhat normal way of starting a conversation, in normal day-to-day conversation and on online forums. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #43 March 18, 2004 QuoteAnd with this administration for the first time all that has gone right out the door. ALL of the goodwill we had will almost EVERY country in the world after 9/11 is now gone. Gosh, we freed 50 million people from tyranny in Afghanistan and Iraq, and that makes us a bad guy... Go figure. A return to strict isolationism is fine with me. No one else gets squat from the U.S.: no financial aid, no food aid, no military aid - nuttin'. Then we'll see how long it takes these other nations to start squealing for our help and involvement again... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #44 March 18, 2004 QuoteA return to strict isolationism is fine with me. No one else gets squat from the U.S. No financial aid, no food aid, no military aid - nuttin'. Then we'll see how long it takes these other nations to start squealing for our help and involvement again... Even though I feel that way sometimes too, we have a lot more to lose than anyone else. We do that than other nations stop trading with us and then you can say hello to another great depression. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #45 March 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe point is whatever you want to make of it. You don't need me to tell you how to think. Yes because when the almighty John Rich shares his opinion we all agree and want to think that way as well. Or you could post something and include your opinion on the matter. It is often the polite and somewhat normal way of starting a conversation, in normal day-to-day conversation and on online forums. Since you've gotten this far in the thread, I don't see how you could have missed my opinions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,145 #46 March 18, 2004 QuoteA return to strict isolationism is fine with me. No one else gets squat from the U.S. No financial aid, no food aid, no military aid - nuttin'. Then we'll see how long it takes these other nations to start squealing for our help and involvement again... Yes, because we all want to be like the US. Strict isolationism means no oil out of the middle east as well, oh and don't be selling any of your products outside of the US. But I have this feeling you believe the US would be the only country that would survive and the rest of the world would just crumble in that scenario. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #47 March 18, 2004 QuoteWe do that than other nations stop trading with us and then you can say hello to another great depression. Nope - they want our money to badly to quit trading with us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #48 March 18, 2004 QuoteA return to strict isolationism is fine with me. No one else gets squat from the U.S. No financial aid, no food aid, no military aid - nuttin'. Then we'll see how long it takes these other nations to start squealing for our help and involvement again... Yeah John with such wonderfully conservative views I can see how that might be seen as a viable alternative by the people in your camp. The only trouble is... the last time we tried that the world went and got alllll screwed up and about 20 million people were killed outright in WWII. Then there is that pesky problem with nuclear weapons and missile technology that might proliferate.... its a smaller world now John..you are not living in the 19th century no matter how much conservatives would like to turn back the clock. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,145 #49 March 18, 2004 QuoteSince you've gotten this far in the thread, I don't see how you could have missed my opinions. Ah yes, after insulting some one asking you what your point was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,145 #50 March 18, 2004 QuoteNope - they want our money to badly to quit trading with us. Right, correct, only the Americans can make worthwhile products. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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JohnRich 4 #43 March 18, 2004 QuoteAnd with this administration for the first time all that has gone right out the door. ALL of the goodwill we had will almost EVERY country in the world after 9/11 is now gone. Gosh, we freed 50 million people from tyranny in Afghanistan and Iraq, and that makes us a bad guy... Go figure. A return to strict isolationism is fine with me. No one else gets squat from the U.S.: no financial aid, no food aid, no military aid - nuttin'. Then we'll see how long it takes these other nations to start squealing for our help and involvement again... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #44 March 18, 2004 QuoteA return to strict isolationism is fine with me. No one else gets squat from the U.S. No financial aid, no food aid, no military aid - nuttin'. Then we'll see how long it takes these other nations to start squealing for our help and involvement again... Even though I feel that way sometimes too, we have a lot more to lose than anyone else. We do that than other nations stop trading with us and then you can say hello to another great depression. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #45 March 18, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe point is whatever you want to make of it. You don't need me to tell you how to think. Yes because when the almighty John Rich shares his opinion we all agree and want to think that way as well. Or you could post something and include your opinion on the matter. It is often the polite and somewhat normal way of starting a conversation, in normal day-to-day conversation and on online forums. Since you've gotten this far in the thread, I don't see how you could have missed my opinions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,145 #46 March 18, 2004 QuoteA return to strict isolationism is fine with me. No one else gets squat from the U.S. No financial aid, no food aid, no military aid - nuttin'. Then we'll see how long it takes these other nations to start squealing for our help and involvement again... Yes, because we all want to be like the US. Strict isolationism means no oil out of the middle east as well, oh and don't be selling any of your products outside of the US. But I have this feeling you believe the US would be the only country that would survive and the rest of the world would just crumble in that scenario. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #47 March 18, 2004 QuoteWe do that than other nations stop trading with us and then you can say hello to another great depression. Nope - they want our money to badly to quit trading with us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #48 March 18, 2004 QuoteA return to strict isolationism is fine with me. No one else gets squat from the U.S. No financial aid, no food aid, no military aid - nuttin'. Then we'll see how long it takes these other nations to start squealing for our help and involvement again... Yeah John with such wonderfully conservative views I can see how that might be seen as a viable alternative by the people in your camp. The only trouble is... the last time we tried that the world went and got alllll screwed up and about 20 million people were killed outright in WWII. Then there is that pesky problem with nuclear weapons and missile technology that might proliferate.... its a smaller world now John..you are not living in the 19th century no matter how much conservatives would like to turn back the clock. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,145 #49 March 18, 2004 QuoteSince you've gotten this far in the thread, I don't see how you could have missed my opinions. Ah yes, after insulting some one asking you what your point was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,145 #50 March 18, 2004 QuoteNope - they want our money to badly to quit trading with us. Right, correct, only the Americans can make worthwhile products. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
