skycat 0 #26 August 31, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteI've been asking myself why a town would be developed where pumps and levees are needed for the town to stay dry? Isn't Amsterdam (& a large surrounding area)the same way? ...and Amersterdam is Flemish, AND Hurricanes don't hit the European Continent. Well, "extra tropical" morphings of them do, but they don't have storm surge and high winds. Well the Dutch have experienced enough of a problem to spend billions building the following barriers from storm surges. Maeslant barrier The Maeslant barrier consists of two immense doors, each shaped like a wheel segment. Together with its spokes around which they turn, each segment stretches for 320 metres, about the height of the Eiffel Tower, and it weighs more than four times as much as the Eiffel Tower. The Guinness Book of Records calls it the world’s largest robot. Off-shore dept sounding buys are continually monitoring the sea level. If the level rises 2,3 metres above the average sea level, the weir elements, which float upon the water, are moved to the centre of the river. When both ends meet, the ballast tanks are flooded, to sink the barrier solidly into place. Eastern Scheldt barrier The Eastern Scheldt barrier is no simple dike, but a storm flood barrier connecting two islands. It has 66 sluices that are only closed if the tide reaches an extremely high 3 meters above average sea level.Fly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #27 August 31, 2005 wow. in the old days they'd just have some guy stick his finger in a dike. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marcandalysse 0 #28 August 31, 2005 Quotehow long until the conspiracy theorist 'prove' that terrorist breached the levvy? *** That 'terrorist' was Mother Nature. The earth will be around for a long time....we humans and our constructs are as ephemeral as the empty hornet nest I knocked down last week..... mp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,456 #29 August 31, 2005 >why a town would be developed where pumps and levees are needed >for the town to stay dry? 1. When New Orleans was first settled, it was above sea level. Diversion/control of the river caused both the sediment beneath New Orleans to sink and the land around it to grow higher as the river deposited sediment there. 2. Holland seems to do OK with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyangel2 2 #30 August 31, 2005 Quote>why a town would be developed where pumps and levees are needed >for the town to stay dry? 1. When New Orleans was first settled, it was above sea level. Diversion/control of the river caused both the sediment beneath New Orleans to sink and the land around it to grow higher as the river deposited sediment there. 2. Holland seems to do OK with it. I understand how New Orleans developed, but why continue to build when they know there is a problem with the land sinking? How arrogant of us to think we can stop Mother Nature. As for Holland being okay with it, how many Hurricans do they get?May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skycat 0 #31 August 31, 2005 QuoteQuote>why a town would be developed where pumps and levees are needed >for the town to stay dry? 1. When New Orleans was first settled, it was above sea level. Diversion/control of the river caused both the sediment beneath New Orleans to sink and the land around it to grow higher as the river deposited sediment there. 2. Holland seems to do OK with it. I understand how New Orleans developed, but why continue to build when they know there is a problem with the land sinking? How arrogant of us to think we can stop Mother Nature. As for Holland being okay with it, how many Hurricans do they get? It's not uncommon, but since they don't have tropical origins more like artic they aren't really "hurricanes". http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/e/eu/european_windstorm.htmFly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Trae 1 #32 August 31, 2005 Whoa messy beach alrite.... Here's something else to do between clean up chores Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Dagny 0 #33 August 31, 2005 I don't think asking why New Orleans continued to develop a city that exists below sea level is any more pertinent than asking why people build near fault lines or in areas frequented by tornados. The city was developed long before it's relation to the water level became an issue and, being a popular city, continued to grow. I think N.O. has done a good job of holding back a tragedy of this proportion. I mean, the last major hurricane to hit the area was Betsy almost 40 years ago and it didn't result in damage this severe. My family has had our house there for the last 22 years and, in that time, have flooded only once or twice (in inches, not feet, of water) and have never had a hurricane hit the city dead on like this one. The levee and pump system has worked fantastically for a long time. I don't see living there as being any different than involving oneself in a sport where a major F up could have dire consequences. You recognize the risk and you proceed with caution, but you keep on. That's how I view New Orleans, a city that always knew the risk, but kept on.Take me, I am the drug; take me, I am hallucinogenic. -Salvador Dali Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites davedlg 0 #34 August 31, 2005 Here's an interesting story written about New Orleans and it's vunerabilities back in 2000... The Lost City of New Orleans Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,456 #35 August 31, 2005 >but why continue to build when they know there is a problem with >the land sinking? Same reason we build near forests that burn down, rivers that flood, fault lines that rattle us, slopes that slide away, and permafrost that can melt. Because we like real estate. >How arrogant of us to think we can stop Mother Nature. Oddly enough we can - for a little while. You can't live without lots of technology in Las Vegas, just like you can't live without pumps in New Orleans or Holland. She eventually wins though. As long as people accept that, let them build wherever they want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Snowwhite 0 #36 August 31, 2005 Pretty much describes ALL of HollandskydiveTaylorville.org [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Snowwhite 0 #37 August 31, 2005 The first white settlers in New Orleans buried their dead that first year. In the next spring the rains brought all of their loved ones out of the ground for a second go round. They've been burying above ground ever since.skydiveTaylorville.org [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slug 1 #38 September 1, 2005 QuoteHere's an interesting story written about New Orleans and it's vunerabilities back in 2000... The Lost City of New Orleans Hi DD Thanks for the linkYikes!!!! Very very sad. Makes me wonder how many reports from the experts are going to have to adjust their estimates based on this hard leaned lesson. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NoShitThereIWas 0 #39 September 2, 2005 I wonder if there is a link between the burning of CFCs, Ozone Depletion, global warming and the vast amount of incredible mother nature that has been occuring to our planet. When I think about the 3 hurricanes endured by the Floridians last year, the huge tsunami endured by Bali, Indonesia and Thailand and now a class 5 hurricane off of the gulf coast. It seems like the flood activity has risen dramatically and with greater intensity over the past couple years. I myself know that the flood requirements have changed regarding my homeowner's insurance on a piece of property I currently own in Hawaii. I was never required in the past to have flood insurance however, this year I was REQUIRED to purchase flood insurance. This requirement was a recent change after the tsunami in Indonesia. My guess is that there is a link between humans and our impact on the environment. This may be Mother Nature's way of retaliating as we are disrupting nature's balance. How long will it take the politicians to figure it out and will it be too late by then to fix a bigger underlying problem? Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires." Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #40 September 2, 2005 "burning of CFCs?" HTF do you burn CFCs? Ozone depletion (by CFCs) increases UV radiation getting in here, not global warming. It's UV Not IR. Greenhouse gases cause global warming which is what is f&*king with the weather system. The big debate is how much of the global warming is due to human activity. The whole CFC/ozone thing is different. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #41 September 2, 2005 well we are, but not in the way your post implies... if we'd simply protected the wetlands that once existed south of NO, the damage would have been SIGNIFICANTLY less...and not building below sea level in the first place would have been helped.... the storms are not any more significant than they ever were... we have just created cities that are more vulnerable...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,662 #42 September 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteI've been asking myself why a town would be developed where pumps and levees are needed for the town to stay dry? Isn't Amsterdam (& a large surrounding area)the same way? 1953 flood disaster! www.thehollandring.com/1953-ramp.shtml... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #43 September 2, 2005 QuoteI wonder if there is a link between the burning of CFCs, Ozone Depletion, global warming and the vast amount of incredible mother nature that has been occuring to our planet. When I think about the 3 hurricanes endured by the Floridians last year, the huge tsunami endured by Bali, Indonesia and Thailand and now a class 5 hurricane off of the gulf coast. It seems like the flood activity has risen dramatically and with greater intensity over the past couple years. I myself know that the flood requirements have changed regarding my homeowner's insurance on a piece of property I currently own in Hawaii. I was never required in the past to have flood insurance however, this year I was REQUIRED to purchase flood insurance. This requirement was a recent change after the tsunami in Indonesia. My guess is that there is a link between humans and our impact on the environment. This may be Mother Nature's way of retaliating as we are disrupting nature's balance. Florida had 4 major hurricanes last year. Charley, Jeanne, Ivan and Frances, all of whom are sure to have the names retired. Hurricanes seem to increase in frequency in cycles, and we are in the middle of one of those cycles. The last intense cycle was in the 50's and 60's. More and more damage are being done by hurricanes today because a lot more people are living in low-lying areas as well as the coast. The Tsunami had nothing to do with weather phenomena or environment. It was completely a geological act, a once-in-your-lifetime event..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites heidihagen 0 #44 September 2, 2005 yep.. nasty stuff! they'll rebuild... probably 6 feet higher or more. google the galveston flood of 1900... that washed everything out to sea. when they rebuilt, they just poured a giant slab of concrete over the broken city to keep it from happening again. if any of you have been to the galveston coast, you can actually see it just below the seawall. i was brand new to houston when we got it bad a few years ago with allison (see attached), but we aren't right on the coast like new orleans. edit: i searched for ya. hurricane eloise. katraina allison and eloise... those bitches... how come fl gets all the male storm names? http://www.1900storm.com/i didn't lose my mind, i sold it on ebay. .:need a container to fit 5'4", 110 lb. cypres ready & able to fit a 170 main (or slightly smaller):.[/ce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #45 September 2, 2005 Quotehow come fl gets all the male storm names Its because of this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054469/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Designer 0 #46 September 2, 2005 Humm,I have no "Doubt" you may/most certainly are on to something.I saw what happens in the late 70's working for Local,States and Federal(EPA)as a Smoke Stack Tester?Money Corrupts Period!You wanna clean something up,Spend Billions and Trillions?You wanna sweep the the problem under the carpet and hope it goes away?(what usually happens)rabbit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #47 September 2, 2005 Quote hurricane eloise. katraina allison and eloise... those bitches... how come fl gets all the male storm names? http://www.1900storm.com/ Uhhh... those bitches Jeanne and Frances smashed Florida last year, remember? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #48 September 2, 2005 QuoteUhhh... those bitches Jeanne and Frances smashed Florida last year, remember? Careful who you call a bitch, Amazon will knock yer lights out!! ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #49 September 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteUhhh... those bitches Jeanne and Frances smashed Florida last year, remember? Careful who you call a bitch, Amazon will knock yer lights out!! That makes me wonder... when are we gonna get a hurricane named Amazon??? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #50 September 2, 2005 QuoteThat makes me wonder... when are we gonna get a hurricane named Amazon??? Remember now... I am on the WET Coast.. on the Pacific Ocean it would be TYPHOON AMAZONhttp://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/B2.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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billvon 2,456 #29 August 31, 2005 >why a town would be developed where pumps and levees are needed >for the town to stay dry? 1. When New Orleans was first settled, it was above sea level. Diversion/control of the river caused both the sediment beneath New Orleans to sink and the land around it to grow higher as the river deposited sediment there. 2. Holland seems to do OK with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #30 August 31, 2005 Quote>why a town would be developed where pumps and levees are needed >for the town to stay dry? 1. When New Orleans was first settled, it was above sea level. Diversion/control of the river caused both the sediment beneath New Orleans to sink and the land around it to grow higher as the river deposited sediment there. 2. Holland seems to do OK with it. I understand how New Orleans developed, but why continue to build when they know there is a problem with the land sinking? How arrogant of us to think we can stop Mother Nature. As for Holland being okay with it, how many Hurricans do they get?May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #31 August 31, 2005 QuoteQuote>why a town would be developed where pumps and levees are needed >for the town to stay dry? 1. When New Orleans was first settled, it was above sea level. Diversion/control of the river caused both the sediment beneath New Orleans to sink and the land around it to grow higher as the river deposited sediment there. 2. Holland seems to do OK with it. I understand how New Orleans developed, but why continue to build when they know there is a problem with the land sinking? How arrogant of us to think we can stop Mother Nature. As for Holland being okay with it, how many Hurricans do they get? It's not uncommon, but since they don't have tropical origins more like artic they aren't really "hurricanes". http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/e/eu/european_windstorm.htmFly it like you stole it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trae 1 #32 August 31, 2005 Whoa messy beach alrite.... Here's something else to do between clean up chores Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Dagny 0 #33 August 31, 2005 I don't think asking why New Orleans continued to develop a city that exists below sea level is any more pertinent than asking why people build near fault lines or in areas frequented by tornados. The city was developed long before it's relation to the water level became an issue and, being a popular city, continued to grow. I think N.O. has done a good job of holding back a tragedy of this proportion. I mean, the last major hurricane to hit the area was Betsy almost 40 years ago and it didn't result in damage this severe. My family has had our house there for the last 22 years and, in that time, have flooded only once or twice (in inches, not feet, of water) and have never had a hurricane hit the city dead on like this one. The levee and pump system has worked fantastically for a long time. I don't see living there as being any different than involving oneself in a sport where a major F up could have dire consequences. You recognize the risk and you proceed with caution, but you keep on. That's how I view New Orleans, a city that always knew the risk, but kept on.Take me, I am the drug; take me, I am hallucinogenic. -Salvador Dali Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites davedlg 0 #34 August 31, 2005 Here's an interesting story written about New Orleans and it's vunerabilities back in 2000... The Lost City of New Orleans Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,456 #35 August 31, 2005 >but why continue to build when they know there is a problem with >the land sinking? Same reason we build near forests that burn down, rivers that flood, fault lines that rattle us, slopes that slide away, and permafrost that can melt. Because we like real estate. >How arrogant of us to think we can stop Mother Nature. Oddly enough we can - for a little while. You can't live without lots of technology in Las Vegas, just like you can't live without pumps in New Orleans or Holland. She eventually wins though. As long as people accept that, let them build wherever they want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Snowwhite 0 #36 August 31, 2005 Pretty much describes ALL of HollandskydiveTaylorville.org [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Snowwhite 0 #37 August 31, 2005 The first white settlers in New Orleans buried their dead that first year. In the next spring the rains brought all of their loved ones out of the ground for a second go round. They've been burying above ground ever since.skydiveTaylorville.org [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slug 1 #38 September 1, 2005 QuoteHere's an interesting story written about New Orleans and it's vunerabilities back in 2000... The Lost City of New Orleans Hi DD Thanks for the linkYikes!!!! Very very sad. Makes me wonder how many reports from the experts are going to have to adjust their estimates based on this hard leaned lesson. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NoShitThereIWas 0 #39 September 2, 2005 I wonder if there is a link between the burning of CFCs, Ozone Depletion, global warming and the vast amount of incredible mother nature that has been occuring to our planet. When I think about the 3 hurricanes endured by the Floridians last year, the huge tsunami endured by Bali, Indonesia and Thailand and now a class 5 hurricane off of the gulf coast. It seems like the flood activity has risen dramatically and with greater intensity over the past couple years. I myself know that the flood requirements have changed regarding my homeowner's insurance on a piece of property I currently own in Hawaii. I was never required in the past to have flood insurance however, this year I was REQUIRED to purchase flood insurance. This requirement was a recent change after the tsunami in Indonesia. My guess is that there is a link between humans and our impact on the environment. This may be Mother Nature's way of retaliating as we are disrupting nature's balance. How long will it take the politicians to figure it out and will it be too late by then to fix a bigger underlying problem? Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires." Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #40 September 2, 2005 "burning of CFCs?" HTF do you burn CFCs? Ozone depletion (by CFCs) increases UV radiation getting in here, not global warming. It's UV Not IR. Greenhouse gases cause global warming which is what is f&*king with the weather system. The big debate is how much of the global warming is due to human activity. The whole CFC/ozone thing is different. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #41 September 2, 2005 well we are, but not in the way your post implies... if we'd simply protected the wetlands that once existed south of NO, the damage would have been SIGNIFICANTLY less...and not building below sea level in the first place would have been helped.... the storms are not any more significant than they ever were... we have just created cities that are more vulnerable...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 1,662 #42 September 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteI've been asking myself why a town would be developed where pumps and levees are needed for the town to stay dry? Isn't Amsterdam (& a large surrounding area)the same way? 1953 flood disaster! www.thehollandring.com/1953-ramp.shtml... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #43 September 2, 2005 QuoteI wonder if there is a link between the burning of CFCs, Ozone Depletion, global warming and the vast amount of incredible mother nature that has been occuring to our planet. When I think about the 3 hurricanes endured by the Floridians last year, the huge tsunami endured by Bali, Indonesia and Thailand and now a class 5 hurricane off of the gulf coast. It seems like the flood activity has risen dramatically and with greater intensity over the past couple years. I myself know that the flood requirements have changed regarding my homeowner's insurance on a piece of property I currently own in Hawaii. I was never required in the past to have flood insurance however, this year I was REQUIRED to purchase flood insurance. This requirement was a recent change after the tsunami in Indonesia. My guess is that there is a link between humans and our impact on the environment. This may be Mother Nature's way of retaliating as we are disrupting nature's balance. Florida had 4 major hurricanes last year. Charley, Jeanne, Ivan and Frances, all of whom are sure to have the names retired. Hurricanes seem to increase in frequency in cycles, and we are in the middle of one of those cycles. The last intense cycle was in the 50's and 60's. More and more damage are being done by hurricanes today because a lot more people are living in low-lying areas as well as the coast. The Tsunami had nothing to do with weather phenomena or environment. It was completely a geological act, a once-in-your-lifetime event..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites heidihagen 0 #44 September 2, 2005 yep.. nasty stuff! they'll rebuild... probably 6 feet higher or more. google the galveston flood of 1900... that washed everything out to sea. when they rebuilt, they just poured a giant slab of concrete over the broken city to keep it from happening again. if any of you have been to the galveston coast, you can actually see it just below the seawall. i was brand new to houston when we got it bad a few years ago with allison (see attached), but we aren't right on the coast like new orleans. edit: i searched for ya. hurricane eloise. katraina allison and eloise... those bitches... how come fl gets all the male storm names? http://www.1900storm.com/i didn't lose my mind, i sold it on ebay. .:need a container to fit 5'4", 110 lb. cypres ready & able to fit a 170 main (or slightly smaller):.[/ce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #45 September 2, 2005 Quotehow come fl gets all the male storm names Its because of this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054469/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Designer 0 #46 September 2, 2005 Humm,I have no "Doubt" you may/most certainly are on to something.I saw what happens in the late 70's working for Local,States and Federal(EPA)as a Smoke Stack Tester?Money Corrupts Period!You wanna clean something up,Spend Billions and Trillions?You wanna sweep the the problem under the carpet and hope it goes away?(what usually happens)rabbit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #47 September 2, 2005 Quote hurricane eloise. katraina allison and eloise... those bitches... how come fl gets all the male storm names? http://www.1900storm.com/ Uhhh... those bitches Jeanne and Frances smashed Florida last year, remember? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ACMESkydiver 0 #48 September 2, 2005 QuoteUhhh... those bitches Jeanne and Frances smashed Florida last year, remember? Careful who you call a bitch, Amazon will knock yer lights out!! ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #49 September 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteUhhh... those bitches Jeanne and Frances smashed Florida last year, remember? Careful who you call a bitch, Amazon will knock yer lights out!! That makes me wonder... when are we gonna get a hurricane named Amazon??? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #50 September 2, 2005 QuoteThat makes me wonder... when are we gonna get a hurricane named Amazon??? Remember now... I am on the WET Coast.. on the Pacific Ocean it would be TYPHOON AMAZONhttp://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/B2.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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Dagny 0 #33 August 31, 2005 I don't think asking why New Orleans continued to develop a city that exists below sea level is any more pertinent than asking why people build near fault lines or in areas frequented by tornados. The city was developed long before it's relation to the water level became an issue and, being a popular city, continued to grow. I think N.O. has done a good job of holding back a tragedy of this proportion. I mean, the last major hurricane to hit the area was Betsy almost 40 years ago and it didn't result in damage this severe. My family has had our house there for the last 22 years and, in that time, have flooded only once or twice (in inches, not feet, of water) and have never had a hurricane hit the city dead on like this one. The levee and pump system has worked fantastically for a long time. I don't see living there as being any different than involving oneself in a sport where a major F up could have dire consequences. You recognize the risk and you proceed with caution, but you keep on. That's how I view New Orleans, a city that always knew the risk, but kept on.Take me, I am the drug; take me, I am hallucinogenic. -Salvador Dali Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davedlg 0 #34 August 31, 2005 Here's an interesting story written about New Orleans and it's vunerabilities back in 2000... The Lost City of New Orleans Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,456 #35 August 31, 2005 >but why continue to build when they know there is a problem with >the land sinking? Same reason we build near forests that burn down, rivers that flood, fault lines that rattle us, slopes that slide away, and permafrost that can melt. Because we like real estate. >How arrogant of us to think we can stop Mother Nature. Oddly enough we can - for a little while. You can't live without lots of technology in Las Vegas, just like you can't live without pumps in New Orleans or Holland. She eventually wins though. As long as people accept that, let them build wherever they want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowwhite 0 #36 August 31, 2005 Pretty much describes ALL of HollandskydiveTaylorville.org [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowwhite 0 #37 August 31, 2005 The first white settlers in New Orleans buried their dead that first year. In the next spring the rains brought all of their loved ones out of the ground for a second go round. They've been burying above ground ever since.skydiveTaylorville.org [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #38 September 1, 2005 QuoteHere's an interesting story written about New Orleans and it's vunerabilities back in 2000... The Lost City of New Orleans Hi DD Thanks for the linkYikes!!!! Very very sad. Makes me wonder how many reports from the experts are going to have to adjust their estimates based on this hard leaned lesson. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NoShitThereIWas 0 #39 September 2, 2005 I wonder if there is a link between the burning of CFCs, Ozone Depletion, global warming and the vast amount of incredible mother nature that has been occuring to our planet. When I think about the 3 hurricanes endured by the Floridians last year, the huge tsunami endured by Bali, Indonesia and Thailand and now a class 5 hurricane off of the gulf coast. It seems like the flood activity has risen dramatically and with greater intensity over the past couple years. I myself know that the flood requirements have changed regarding my homeowner's insurance on a piece of property I currently own in Hawaii. I was never required in the past to have flood insurance however, this year I was REQUIRED to purchase flood insurance. This requirement was a recent change after the tsunami in Indonesia. My guess is that there is a link between humans and our impact on the environment. This may be Mother Nature's way of retaliating as we are disrupting nature's balance. How long will it take the politicians to figure it out and will it be too late by then to fix a bigger underlying problem? Roy Bacon: "Elvises, light your fires." Sting: "Be yourself no matter what they say." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #40 September 2, 2005 "burning of CFCs?" HTF do you burn CFCs? Ozone depletion (by CFCs) increases UV radiation getting in here, not global warming. It's UV Not IR. Greenhouse gases cause global warming which is what is f&*king with the weather system. The big debate is how much of the global warming is due to human activity. The whole CFC/ozone thing is different. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #41 September 2, 2005 well we are, but not in the way your post implies... if we'd simply protected the wetlands that once existed south of NO, the damage would have been SIGNIFICANTLY less...and not building below sea level in the first place would have been helped.... the storms are not any more significant than they ever were... we have just created cities that are more vulnerable...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,662 #42 September 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteI've been asking myself why a town would be developed where pumps and levees are needed for the town to stay dry? Isn't Amsterdam (& a large surrounding area)the same way? 1953 flood disaster! www.thehollandring.com/1953-ramp.shtml... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #43 September 2, 2005 QuoteI wonder if there is a link between the burning of CFCs, Ozone Depletion, global warming and the vast amount of incredible mother nature that has been occuring to our planet. When I think about the 3 hurricanes endured by the Floridians last year, the huge tsunami endured by Bali, Indonesia and Thailand and now a class 5 hurricane off of the gulf coast. It seems like the flood activity has risen dramatically and with greater intensity over the past couple years. I myself know that the flood requirements have changed regarding my homeowner's insurance on a piece of property I currently own in Hawaii. I was never required in the past to have flood insurance however, this year I was REQUIRED to purchase flood insurance. This requirement was a recent change after the tsunami in Indonesia. My guess is that there is a link between humans and our impact on the environment. This may be Mother Nature's way of retaliating as we are disrupting nature's balance. Florida had 4 major hurricanes last year. Charley, Jeanne, Ivan and Frances, all of whom are sure to have the names retired. Hurricanes seem to increase in frequency in cycles, and we are in the middle of one of those cycles. The last intense cycle was in the 50's and 60's. More and more damage are being done by hurricanes today because a lot more people are living in low-lying areas as well as the coast. The Tsunami had nothing to do with weather phenomena or environment. It was completely a geological act, a once-in-your-lifetime event..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heidihagen 0 #44 September 2, 2005 yep.. nasty stuff! they'll rebuild... probably 6 feet higher or more. google the galveston flood of 1900... that washed everything out to sea. when they rebuilt, they just poured a giant slab of concrete over the broken city to keep it from happening again. if any of you have been to the galveston coast, you can actually see it just below the seawall. i was brand new to houston when we got it bad a few years ago with allison (see attached), but we aren't right on the coast like new orleans. edit: i searched for ya. hurricane eloise. katraina allison and eloise... those bitches... how come fl gets all the male storm names? http://www.1900storm.com/i didn't lose my mind, i sold it on ebay. .:need a container to fit 5'4", 110 lb. cypres ready & able to fit a 170 main (or slightly smaller):.[/ce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #45 September 2, 2005 Quotehow come fl gets all the male storm names Its because of this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054469/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Designer 0 #46 September 2, 2005 Humm,I have no "Doubt" you may/most certainly are on to something.I saw what happens in the late 70's working for Local,States and Federal(EPA)as a Smoke Stack Tester?Money Corrupts Period!You wanna clean something up,Spend Billions and Trillions?You wanna sweep the the problem under the carpet and hope it goes away?(what usually happens)rabbit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #47 September 2, 2005 Quote hurricane eloise. katraina allison and eloise... those bitches... how come fl gets all the male storm names? http://www.1900storm.com/ Uhhh... those bitches Jeanne and Frances smashed Florida last year, remember? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ACMESkydiver 0 #48 September 2, 2005 QuoteUhhh... those bitches Jeanne and Frances smashed Florida last year, remember? Careful who you call a bitch, Amazon will knock yer lights out!! ~Jaye Do not believe that possibly you can escape the reward of your action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #49 September 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteUhhh... those bitches Jeanne and Frances smashed Florida last year, remember? Careful who you call a bitch, Amazon will knock yer lights out!! That makes me wonder... when are we gonna get a hurricane named Amazon??? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #50 September 2, 2005 QuoteThat makes me wonder... when are we gonna get a hurricane named Amazon??? Remember now... I am on the WET Coast.. on the Pacific Ocean it would be TYPHOON AMAZONhttp://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/B2.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
