jumper03 0 #1 February 17, 2006 If so, I'd appreciate a PM. ThanksScars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #2 February 17, 2006 they are bored. give them something to focus on. adrenaline is the best cure.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NWFlyer 2 #3 February 17, 2006 I post on Bonfire. Does that count? "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cesslon 0 #4 February 17, 2006 QuoteIf so, I'd appreciate a PM. Thanks they don't have a problem its there genetic make up, the way they happen to be, drugs only help them adapt to a society's ways. the society should adapt for them use drugs to a minimum and use google for some answers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Snowwhite 0 #5 February 17, 2006 My nephew was diagnosed ADD about a dozen years ago. This was done mostly because my sister didn't have the energy to deal with his activity level. His well meaning mom and doc prescribed so many drugs for him that he spent most of his time staring into the lights. He got very little done, he had no energy, he had no motivation. He quit playing musical instruments, he quit ball. He never went out to play any more. Then he was diagnosed as depressed DUH! More drugs. After years of too many drugs and not enough time spent excercising he flunked out of school for the umpteenth time and quit. His mom recently looked at my grandson who was playing in the back yard and made the comment that my grandson was "even MORE hyper" than her kid. I explained to her that active, curious learning children were normal, not hyper. Guess we'll see in 10 years who's right. Dare to keep the kid active, and off drugs. It's a challenge well worth the energy. By the way, most of the really prolific composers have been thought to have been ADD. Harness and embrace the activity level, you may have a genius on board. Drug the genius, slow it down and you will never know.skydiveTaylorville.org [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lisamariewillbe 1 #6 February 17, 2006 It appears that your example is an extreme case. A child should never be put on meds to the point where they are staring into the lights. That to me is wrong and way excessive. That being said. When a child cant sit in his seat at school, and he is bouncing around, over and under tables... constently moving, getting in trouble by teachers and parents because the child is a disruption to the whole class, then meds are not a bad idea combined with behavior modification. Most children with ADHD and ADD (two different disorders) often are more intelligent then the avg child. HOWEVER if they can not learn to pay attention and concentrate it can hinder their education, home life and social life. Medicines are their to help, if used properly. There is a big difference between a child in the back yard running around and exerting energy, then the child in the classroom doing the same and not only hurting thier own education, but also that of their classmates.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 135 #7 February 17, 2006 kids with AAD ?? Who let the kids play with a Cypres ? scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Snowwhite 0 #8 February 17, 2006 I'd love to agree with you, and maybe it's just the area that we live in, or our excessive docs here, but unfortunately, I can name at least a dozen similar cases. I saw this great kid turn from an active, intelligent interesting human being, into a zombie. When he would come and spend a summer with me at the dz, no drugs. Give the kid a list of 20 things to accomplish by the end of the day, turn him loose and LOOK OUT! He did the list and lots of other stuff too. He also smiled alot, learned alot and had a great time. Take him back to my sister, she'd drug him up, and bingo! Zombie again. Maybe it's me, but I think we have gotten way past the point of treating those with really severe illness. I believe that when a parent comes home too tired to deal with an active 10 year old, asks an overworked doc for drugs to 'make him behave', the doc prescribes without a second thought. I don't believe my nephew had as much as 20 minutes of actual examination time in the last two years of drug therapy. My sister is not well herself, and I understand her need for peace and quiet when she has a chance to be at home, but I think a 'big brother' would have been a better solution.skydiveTaylorville.org [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AlexCrowley 0 #9 February 17, 2006 While Im sure there are bad doctors out there it sounds like your nephew is on the wrong medication. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Broke 0 #10 February 17, 2006 Now a days Doctors are too quick to label kids as hyperactive. The first thing we need to do is look at the kids diets. Minimize their suger intake. That is a big help right there. One day we were refueling the coffee mugs at the local 7-11, and I just got back into the ambulance an looked at thid woman who was puching a stroller. Nothing out of the norm with this picture. However I then turned my attention to the kid in the stroller, and it was eating a full sized Hershey bar. That is just too much suger for a lieelt kid. If it was me I'd give the kid a couple of pieces as a treat, and not the whole bar.Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #11 February 17, 2006 QuoteI saw this great kid turn from an active, intelligent interesting human being, into a zombie. When he would come and spend a summer with me at the dz, no drugs. Give the kid a list of 20 things to accomplish by the end of the day, turn him loose and LOOK OUT! He did the list and lots of other stuff too. He also smiled alot, learned alot and had a great time. thats not ADD or ADHD, that is bipolar disorder. you would be surprised how much these types of Genius kids feed off of others energy. It isn't the drugs, It is lack of interest. "boredom" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tmaricle55 0 #12 February 17, 2006 One of the best things to do for an ADD child is to keep him busy. Learning to focus is hard for adults and even harder for an ADD child. Sports are great for burning some of that energy. Martial Arts is a proven way to start training the mind and the body. Always define rules of the house and make them black and white. - This will come in handy when the hormones come into play and everything starts getting emotional. Diet is another concern - stay away from sugar. Make sure if you are going to include sugar do it on the weekends. Muff Brother # 3883, SCR # 14796 ICD # 1 - Pres. Yeah, I noticed and I think it's funny! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #13 February 17, 2006 QuoteOne of the best things to do for an ADD child is to keep him busy. Learning to focus is hard for adults and even harder for an ADD child. Sports are great for burning some of that energy. Martial Arts is a proven way to start training the mind and the body. Always define rules of the house and make them black and white. - This will come in handy when the hormones come into play and everything starts getting emotional. Diet is another concern - stay away from sugar. Make sure if you are going to include sugar do it on the weekends. high energy, high focus sports that they are interested in, is what will make them shine brighter than you can imagine. it gets rid of the boredom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mpuettman 0 #14 February 17, 2006 Feel free to PM me -- I have many, many years of first-hand experience with an ADHD daughter. She has had ADHD from childhood up until the present time. She is now 28 and has adult ADHD. She has one of the more extreme forms of ADHD which, over the years, has manifested itself in not only the usual ways (inability to concentrate, complete a task, etc.), but without her medication, it was not uncommon for the violent side of ADHD to take over. I would like to say, though, that despite all this, she has become very successful in her career -- by the numbers, one of the top specialized pharmaceutical reps in the country. I'm not sure what it is you're wanting to know or learn, but through necessity, I have learned quite a bit about dealing with ADD/ADHD children. And I'll be happy to share my experiences with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zennie 0 #15 February 17, 2006 Yeah... me. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cesslon 0 #16 February 17, 2006 kids that take drugs like Ritalin are close to 10 times more likely to use drugs later in life. and drug use makes other things more likely to, a good example is Kurt Cobain, he was on Ritalin as a kid, but then he found heroin served him a little better. I believe I may have ADD/ADHD, my younger brother was diagnosed (do idiots get diagnosed with being an idiot? do smart people get diagnosed with being smart?) with ADD and put on Ritalin, his grade picked up heaps at school good grades are great for dumb kids, ADD/ADHD people can be extremely creative as well as good strategic thinkers/planners, things that interest them they could complete way faster then others. when I was in high school I was way more "Street/life Smart" then the kids in my year who got the top grades, recently I had a 5th yr lol reunion and I'm on a lot more cash and in a lot more cruisey job then anyone else in my year. why? solely because they were learners not thinkers, what I mean by this is some kids can sit there and learn everything they are taught, then when exams come they remember what they were taught and simply fill out exams correctly, solely because they paid more attention and they simply learnt about other's research, a lot of these kids will never have the brain that actually discovers the info that the kids learnt at school, they are learners not do'ers. however some people get top marks and are brilliant thinkers/researchers etc that's just the way the world is, everyone is different. if a child needs to be drugged then odd's are it isn’t to smart, if it is simply drugged for better attention and is really smart, then 99% of the time as it gets older its *hypo* level will drop and its intelligence will begin to show. So if the kid really is smart, it will work out a smart path through life by its self. As its a do’er not a learner/follower. Don't drug a kid just for good school grades, I seen plenty of kids get brilliant school grades only to end up packing shelves. I have a theory/thought/idea that many of histories greatest explorers, military generals, free thinkers etc Wouldn’t have been that good at modern school, it would have bored the hell out of them, these were people who had to get out and discover and think in there own way. when I was at school I couldn't shut up, I was to hypo, there was no way on earth I could sit there and write an essay about some fictional garbage, I absolutely hated fiction, how ever if we watched some good video in science class I couldn't pull my eyes from the tv. primary/high school has to many useless subjects, students should be taught about math’s, science, how to read (nothing fictional), health, and life When I say life I mean general things that will make the world a better place, how to create a good psychological and safe environment for a child, so that way better educated parents equal better educated kids. or how to look after your finances etc, as I have so many friends who left school 6 years ago and literally don't have a dime to there name and have been working full time for 6 years, if they saved $1 a week they wouldn't be so insecure. Dam now I'm rambling lol I think I'll shut up. Anyway to the person who started this thread and all involved be sure to search google and hear from children that were drugged, or weren't drugged, or parents who drugged kids and why and parents who didn't drug kids and why etc Remember ADD drugs are big business, big medical companies want every person on the planet to be there customer, so they will always try and find new disorders and new solutions. The best sales people on the planet don't sell solutions to problems; they create a problem then offer a solution. I have a good dvd on ADHD if you would like I'll hunt through my collection and tell you the name. When my younger brother went on ADD meds and he suddenly went from worst in the year to first in the year I was disappointed my parents or teachers never sent me to a specialist when I was younger. but now that I think of it, I think I may have been worse off, sure I may have got good marks, but would I have lived my child hood sober? would I have been like the other kids with top marks and simply left school and got settled into there career of packing shelves because it easily amuses them and they got sick of studying in high school and bludged through collegE? No person will ever be on there death bed at 90 about to die and simply say "Hey I was happy my whole life solely because I got good marks in school, I looked at the marks, smiled and was happy from that moment onwards solely cos I can remember looking at the marks" People can only be happy if there mind is amused, a good example would be, if you could have a zillion $'s and never allowed to skydive or be a skydiver and earn an avg wage what would make you happier? I will sum up with the following let the child be happy running up the wall, not drugged staring at the wall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Snowwhite 0 #17 February 17, 2006 QuoteOne of the best things to do for an ADD child is to keep him busy. Learning to focus is hard for adults and even harder for an ADD child. Sports are great for burning some of that energy. Martial Arts is a proven way to start training the mind and the body. Always define rules of the house and make them black and white. - This will come in handy when the hormones come into play and everything starts getting emotional. Diet is another concern - stay away from sugar. Make sure if you are going to include sugar do it on the weekends. BINGO~! But what you are describing takes a parent who is involved. I have seen too many kids drugged up to make parenting easier. My oldest plays 2 musical instruments, speaks 3 foreign languages (practices law in 2 of them) and held letters in sports in High School. Graduated number one in his college class. ADHD? probablyskydiveTaylorville.org [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #18 February 17, 2006 Try teaching them to read. I used to. All four years of college for an hour/day I was a volunteer at the local elementary school for 1st-grade SLD kids. Most had ADD. Learning to read is a feat in itself at that age. Trying to teach reading to a child with ADD is a whole different world. But, I enjoyed it. And it was very rewarding. What sort of questions did you have?Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #19 February 17, 2006 QuoteNow a days Doctors are too quick to label kids as hyperactive. The first thing we need to do is look at the kids diets. Minimize their suger intake. That is a big help right there. So are some educators. We had a meeting with them over my now 23 year old son when he was 15 or so because some of his teachers thought he had ADD. His afternoon teachers said he was off the wall crazy -- his morning teachers wanted to know if we were talking about the same kid. We determined he was eating junky sweet food for lunch and thereby exploding with sugar highs in his PM classes. We started packing him a sensible lunch and the problems ceased. That of the wall kid now is in US Army Special Forces (Green Berets). Here's to good nutrition and lots of exercise. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PLFXpert 0 #20 February 17, 2006 QuoteNow a days Doctors are too quick to label kids I agree with this statement 100%. Just wanted you to knowPaint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Tonto 1 #21 February 17, 2006 QuoteIf so, I'd appreciate a PM. Thanks Mainly they worry when their AAD's are away for service. When the unit's in and on, they're very active. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #22 February 17, 2006 QuoteI believe I may have ADD/ADHD then you dont. it is very very obvious that somone has it if they are to the point they need meds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #23 February 17, 2006 Quote She has had ADHD from childhood up until the present time. She is now 28 and has adult ADHD. She has one of the more extreme forms of ADHD which, over the years, has manifested itself in not only the usual ways (inability to concentrate, complete a task, etc.), but without her medication, it was not uncommon for the violent side of ADHD to take over. that's biporal disorder or manic depressive. almost all the same symptoms with some extra's depakote and concerta work great in a low dose mixture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sky15 0 #24 February 17, 2006 I have also heard that many consider ADD, etc. on the autism spectrum now. I do have an autistic dd, but we don't use meds (aside from natural supplements her autism dr. suggests), if that is what you are asking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AlexCrowley 0 #25 February 17, 2006 absolutely. Like schizophrenia there's a good chance that what we currently label ADD is a collection of like symptoms. While diet may work for some it won't work for others. Certain medications provide relief for still more. It's too easy to write off, because unlike a physical disability its something that cannot be seen and we're all too egocentric to be able to comprehend that some peoples minds may process data in a way that is different than our own. ADD is like a sliding scale, some have it very severely, some more mildly, to complicate matters there are many co-morbids that tend to come along for the ride. Still more issues may be masked by the ADD and only noticable after a period of treatment. Contrary to the weight lent by personal observations there doesnt seem to be any real data to suggest a tidal wave of ADD misdiagnosis and a resulting wave of unnecessary drug treatment on the youth of America. In addition, medication therapy, if done correctly, can mean the difference between a bearable life and self destruction. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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NWFlyer 2 #3 February 17, 2006 I post on Bonfire. Does that count? "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cesslon 0 #4 February 17, 2006 QuoteIf so, I'd appreciate a PM. Thanks they don't have a problem its there genetic make up, the way they happen to be, drugs only help them adapt to a society's ways. the society should adapt for them use drugs to a minimum and use google for some answers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowwhite 0 #5 February 17, 2006 My nephew was diagnosed ADD about a dozen years ago. This was done mostly because my sister didn't have the energy to deal with his activity level. His well meaning mom and doc prescribed so many drugs for him that he spent most of his time staring into the lights. He got very little done, he had no energy, he had no motivation. He quit playing musical instruments, he quit ball. He never went out to play any more. Then he was diagnosed as depressed DUH! More drugs. After years of too many drugs and not enough time spent excercising he flunked out of school for the umpteenth time and quit. His mom recently looked at my grandson who was playing in the back yard and made the comment that my grandson was "even MORE hyper" than her kid. I explained to her that active, curious learning children were normal, not hyper. Guess we'll see in 10 years who's right. Dare to keep the kid active, and off drugs. It's a challenge well worth the energy. By the way, most of the really prolific composers have been thought to have been ADD. Harness and embrace the activity level, you may have a genius on board. Drug the genius, slow it down and you will never know.skydiveTaylorville.org [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lisamariewillbe 1 #6 February 17, 2006 It appears that your example is an extreme case. A child should never be put on meds to the point where they are staring into the lights. That to me is wrong and way excessive. That being said. When a child cant sit in his seat at school, and he is bouncing around, over and under tables... constently moving, getting in trouble by teachers and parents because the child is a disruption to the whole class, then meds are not a bad idea combined with behavior modification. Most children with ADHD and ADD (two different disorders) often are more intelligent then the avg child. HOWEVER if they can not learn to pay attention and concentrate it can hinder their education, home life and social life. Medicines are their to help, if used properly. There is a big difference between a child in the back yard running around and exerting energy, then the child in the classroom doing the same and not only hurting thier own education, but also that of their classmates.Sudsy Fist: i don't think i'd ever say this Sudsy Fist: but you're looking damn sudsydoable in this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #7 February 17, 2006 kids with AAD ?? Who let the kids play with a Cypres ? scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowwhite 0 #8 February 17, 2006 I'd love to agree with you, and maybe it's just the area that we live in, or our excessive docs here, but unfortunately, I can name at least a dozen similar cases. I saw this great kid turn from an active, intelligent interesting human being, into a zombie. When he would come and spend a summer with me at the dz, no drugs. Give the kid a list of 20 things to accomplish by the end of the day, turn him loose and LOOK OUT! He did the list and lots of other stuff too. He also smiled alot, learned alot and had a great time. Take him back to my sister, she'd drug him up, and bingo! Zombie again. Maybe it's me, but I think we have gotten way past the point of treating those with really severe illness. I believe that when a parent comes home too tired to deal with an active 10 year old, asks an overworked doc for drugs to 'make him behave', the doc prescribes without a second thought. I don't believe my nephew had as much as 20 minutes of actual examination time in the last two years of drug therapy. My sister is not well herself, and I understand her need for peace and quiet when she has a chance to be at home, but I think a 'big brother' would have been a better solution.skydiveTaylorville.org [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #9 February 17, 2006 While Im sure there are bad doctors out there it sounds like your nephew is on the wrong medication. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Broke 0 #10 February 17, 2006 Now a days Doctors are too quick to label kids as hyperactive. The first thing we need to do is look at the kids diets. Minimize their suger intake. That is a big help right there. One day we were refueling the coffee mugs at the local 7-11, and I just got back into the ambulance an looked at thid woman who was puching a stroller. Nothing out of the norm with this picture. However I then turned my attention to the kid in the stroller, and it was eating a full sized Hershey bar. That is just too much suger for a lieelt kid. If it was me I'd give the kid a couple of pieces as a treat, and not the whole bar.Divot your source for all things Hillbilly. Anvil Brother 84 SCR 14192 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #11 February 17, 2006 QuoteI saw this great kid turn from an active, intelligent interesting human being, into a zombie. When he would come and spend a summer with me at the dz, no drugs. Give the kid a list of 20 things to accomplish by the end of the day, turn him loose and LOOK OUT! He did the list and lots of other stuff too. He also smiled alot, learned alot and had a great time. thats not ADD or ADHD, that is bipolar disorder. you would be surprised how much these types of Genius kids feed off of others energy. It isn't the drugs, It is lack of interest. "boredom" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tmaricle55 0 #12 February 17, 2006 One of the best things to do for an ADD child is to keep him busy. Learning to focus is hard for adults and even harder for an ADD child. Sports are great for burning some of that energy. Martial Arts is a proven way to start training the mind and the body. Always define rules of the house and make them black and white. - This will come in handy when the hormones come into play and everything starts getting emotional. Diet is another concern - stay away from sugar. Make sure if you are going to include sugar do it on the weekends. Muff Brother # 3883, SCR # 14796 ICD # 1 - Pres. Yeah, I noticed and I think it's funny! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #13 February 17, 2006 QuoteOne of the best things to do for an ADD child is to keep him busy. Learning to focus is hard for adults and even harder for an ADD child. Sports are great for burning some of that energy. Martial Arts is a proven way to start training the mind and the body. Always define rules of the house and make them black and white. - This will come in handy when the hormones come into play and everything starts getting emotional. Diet is another concern - stay away from sugar. Make sure if you are going to include sugar do it on the weekends. high energy, high focus sports that they are interested in, is what will make them shine brighter than you can imagine. it gets rid of the boredom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpuettman 0 #14 February 17, 2006 Feel free to PM me -- I have many, many years of first-hand experience with an ADHD daughter. She has had ADHD from childhood up until the present time. She is now 28 and has adult ADHD. She has one of the more extreme forms of ADHD which, over the years, has manifested itself in not only the usual ways (inability to concentrate, complete a task, etc.), but without her medication, it was not uncommon for the violent side of ADHD to take over. I would like to say, though, that despite all this, she has become very successful in her career -- by the numbers, one of the top specialized pharmaceutical reps in the country. I'm not sure what it is you're wanting to know or learn, but through necessity, I have learned quite a bit about dealing with ADD/ADHD children. And I'll be happy to share my experiences with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zennie 0 #15 February 17, 2006 Yeah... me. - Z "Always be yourself... unless you suck." - Joss Whedon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cesslon 0 #16 February 17, 2006 kids that take drugs like Ritalin are close to 10 times more likely to use drugs later in life. and drug use makes other things more likely to, a good example is Kurt Cobain, he was on Ritalin as a kid, but then he found heroin served him a little better. I believe I may have ADD/ADHD, my younger brother was diagnosed (do idiots get diagnosed with being an idiot? do smart people get diagnosed with being smart?) with ADD and put on Ritalin, his grade picked up heaps at school good grades are great for dumb kids, ADD/ADHD people can be extremely creative as well as good strategic thinkers/planners, things that interest them they could complete way faster then others. when I was in high school I was way more "Street/life Smart" then the kids in my year who got the top grades, recently I had a 5th yr lol reunion and I'm on a lot more cash and in a lot more cruisey job then anyone else in my year. why? solely because they were learners not thinkers, what I mean by this is some kids can sit there and learn everything they are taught, then when exams come they remember what they were taught and simply fill out exams correctly, solely because they paid more attention and they simply learnt about other's research, a lot of these kids will never have the brain that actually discovers the info that the kids learnt at school, they are learners not do'ers. however some people get top marks and are brilliant thinkers/researchers etc that's just the way the world is, everyone is different. if a child needs to be drugged then odd's are it isn’t to smart, if it is simply drugged for better attention and is really smart, then 99% of the time as it gets older its *hypo* level will drop and its intelligence will begin to show. So if the kid really is smart, it will work out a smart path through life by its self. As its a do’er not a learner/follower. Don't drug a kid just for good school grades, I seen plenty of kids get brilliant school grades only to end up packing shelves. I have a theory/thought/idea that many of histories greatest explorers, military generals, free thinkers etc Wouldn’t have been that good at modern school, it would have bored the hell out of them, these were people who had to get out and discover and think in there own way. when I was at school I couldn't shut up, I was to hypo, there was no way on earth I could sit there and write an essay about some fictional garbage, I absolutely hated fiction, how ever if we watched some good video in science class I couldn't pull my eyes from the tv. primary/high school has to many useless subjects, students should be taught about math’s, science, how to read (nothing fictional), health, and life When I say life I mean general things that will make the world a better place, how to create a good psychological and safe environment for a child, so that way better educated parents equal better educated kids. or how to look after your finances etc, as I have so many friends who left school 6 years ago and literally don't have a dime to there name and have been working full time for 6 years, if they saved $1 a week they wouldn't be so insecure. Dam now I'm rambling lol I think I'll shut up. Anyway to the person who started this thread and all involved be sure to search google and hear from children that were drugged, or weren't drugged, or parents who drugged kids and why and parents who didn't drug kids and why etc Remember ADD drugs are big business, big medical companies want every person on the planet to be there customer, so they will always try and find new disorders and new solutions. The best sales people on the planet don't sell solutions to problems; they create a problem then offer a solution. I have a good dvd on ADHD if you would like I'll hunt through my collection and tell you the name. When my younger brother went on ADD meds and he suddenly went from worst in the year to first in the year I was disappointed my parents or teachers never sent me to a specialist when I was younger. but now that I think of it, I think I may have been worse off, sure I may have got good marks, but would I have lived my child hood sober? would I have been like the other kids with top marks and simply left school and got settled into there career of packing shelves because it easily amuses them and they got sick of studying in high school and bludged through collegE? No person will ever be on there death bed at 90 about to die and simply say "Hey I was happy my whole life solely because I got good marks in school, I looked at the marks, smiled and was happy from that moment onwards solely cos I can remember looking at the marks" People can only be happy if there mind is amused, a good example would be, if you could have a zillion $'s and never allowed to skydive or be a skydiver and earn an avg wage what would make you happier? I will sum up with the following let the child be happy running up the wall, not drugged staring at the wall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowwhite 0 #17 February 17, 2006 QuoteOne of the best things to do for an ADD child is to keep him busy. Learning to focus is hard for adults and even harder for an ADD child. Sports are great for burning some of that energy. Martial Arts is a proven way to start training the mind and the body. Always define rules of the house and make them black and white. - This will come in handy when the hormones come into play and everything starts getting emotional. Diet is another concern - stay away from sugar. Make sure if you are going to include sugar do it on the weekends. BINGO~! But what you are describing takes a parent who is involved. I have seen too many kids drugged up to make parenting easier. My oldest plays 2 musical instruments, speaks 3 foreign languages (practices law in 2 of them) and held letters in sports in High School. Graduated number one in his college class. ADHD? probablyskydiveTaylorville.org [email protected] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #18 February 17, 2006 Try teaching them to read. I used to. All four years of college for an hour/day I was a volunteer at the local elementary school for 1st-grade SLD kids. Most had ADD. Learning to read is a feat in itself at that age. Trying to teach reading to a child with ADD is a whole different world. But, I enjoyed it. And it was very rewarding. What sort of questions did you have?Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #19 February 17, 2006 QuoteNow a days Doctors are too quick to label kids as hyperactive. The first thing we need to do is look at the kids diets. Minimize their suger intake. That is a big help right there. So are some educators. We had a meeting with them over my now 23 year old son when he was 15 or so because some of his teachers thought he had ADD. His afternoon teachers said he was off the wall crazy -- his morning teachers wanted to know if we were talking about the same kid. We determined he was eating junky sweet food for lunch and thereby exploding with sugar highs in his PM classes. We started packing him a sensible lunch and the problems ceased. That of the wall kid now is in US Army Special Forces (Green Berets). Here's to good nutrition and lots of exercise. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #20 February 17, 2006 QuoteNow a days Doctors are too quick to label kids I agree with this statement 100%. Just wanted you to knowPaint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #21 February 17, 2006 QuoteIf so, I'd appreciate a PM. Thanks Mainly they worry when their AAD's are away for service. When the unit's in and on, they're very active. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #22 February 17, 2006 QuoteI believe I may have ADD/ADHD then you dont. it is very very obvious that somone has it if they are to the point they need meds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #23 February 17, 2006 Quote She has had ADHD from childhood up until the present time. She is now 28 and has adult ADHD. She has one of the more extreme forms of ADHD which, over the years, has manifested itself in not only the usual ways (inability to concentrate, complete a task, etc.), but without her medication, it was not uncommon for the violent side of ADHD to take over. that's biporal disorder or manic depressive. almost all the same symptoms with some extra's depakote and concerta work great in a low dose mixture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sky15 0 #24 February 17, 2006 I have also heard that many consider ADD, etc. on the autism spectrum now. I do have an autistic dd, but we don't use meds (aside from natural supplements her autism dr. suggests), if that is what you are asking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #25 February 17, 2006 absolutely. Like schizophrenia there's a good chance that what we currently label ADD is a collection of like symptoms. While diet may work for some it won't work for others. Certain medications provide relief for still more. It's too easy to write off, because unlike a physical disability its something that cannot be seen and we're all too egocentric to be able to comprehend that some peoples minds may process data in a way that is different than our own. ADD is like a sliding scale, some have it very severely, some more mildly, to complicate matters there are many co-morbids that tend to come along for the ride. Still more issues may be masked by the ADD and only noticable after a period of treatment. Contrary to the weight lent by personal observations there doesnt seem to be any real data to suggest a tidal wave of ADD misdiagnosis and a resulting wave of unnecessary drug treatment on the youth of America. In addition, medication therapy, if done correctly, can mean the difference between a bearable life and self destruction. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
