Cantoral 1 #1 November 8, 2007 Hi everyone, I'm wondering, if some guy jump with an uncocked PC and throw it, it's possible that this PC caught air and open the main? This it has happened to someone? Blue Skies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWPoul 1 #2 November 8, 2007 Yes.Why drink and drive, if you can smoke and fly? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UDSkyJunkie 0 #3 November 8, 2007 I know people who have thrown an uncocked PC and gotten an open main. I know others who have gotten a PC in tow. Some of those with PC in tow have dumped their reserves and the shock/change in orientation/timing have caused a 2-out."Some people follow their dreams, others hunt them down and beat them mercilessly into submission." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
everymansaved 0 #4 November 8, 2007 The exact thing that Junkie talked about happened to me a while back. I tossed (pull-out deployment) after a 8-10 sec delay from 3500' and got nothing. Reached again, felt a full container and figured I just had a floating PUD. I decided that I was too low to mess around so I went straight reserve, felt the main d-bag bounce off my ass as I was pulling my reserve handle. I stopped, but it was too late. Both canopies deployed, I steered them apart and cutaway. Realized later that bad communication between myself and the girl packing my rig led to an un-cocked p/c. I imagine it would have deployed at terminal with minimal hesitation, but sub-terminal it was just not quite enough drag right when I pulled to get it out.God made firefighters so paramedics would have heroes...and someone can put out the trailer fires. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ironmanjay 0 #5 November 9, 2007 Quotecanopies deployed, I steered them apart and cutaway. Quote So you cut away your main, correct?? I thought you werent suppose to cut away as long as it was landable??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites davadikian 0 #6 November 9, 2007 Why risk it?? http://www.bigairsportz.com/art-pilotchute.php Using this method you cant pack it if it isn't cocked, or at least it would be obvious it isn't cocked... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnskydiver688 0 #7 November 9, 2007 I know of a jumper that bought a rig and didn't realize that it had a collapsible PC. After a few jumps the jumper complained of slow openings and was informed of the PC. So it does happen and the packing method mentioned is a very good way to avoid it.Sky Canyon Wingsuiters Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #8 November 9, 2007 I'd say if you check you pin, you should check you kill-line PC too. They usually have an indicator window. It can un-cock itselft e.g. when you bag your canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Baksteen 84 #9 November 9, 2007 QuoteI steered them apart and cutaway. You're implying that you didn't have a downplane immediately upon opening, but that you (had to) create(d) one. What did the two-out look like?"That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites everymansaved 0 #10 November 9, 2007 That's correct. The reserve was on the left and behind. It was kind of an ofset bi-plane. I flew it briefly, but the two canopies were not flying very well together, so I induced a downplane and then cutaway.God made firefighters so paramedics would have heroes...and someone can put out the trailer fires. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites UDSkyJunkie 0 #11 November 9, 2007 Quote I thought you werent suppose to cut away as long as it was landable??? First off, good question. That's the book answer, and it's the answer you'll see 99% of the time in the FJC, but it's not necessarily the only option. For students, who have almost zero gear knowledge and are in a very complex, unfamiliar situation, it's almost always the best option. If the canopies are in a bi-plane, and the main is in the back, cutting away the main may be a good choice. If the main's in the front, cutting away is the worst thing you could do. If they're in a side-by-side and you've got lots of altitude, inducing a downplane and cutting away may be a good choice. This applies even more if you've got very different sizes/planforms and/or small canopies... the thought of trying to land a PDR 143 and a Velo 84 isn't pretty... or imagine a PDR 99 and a Velo 84, even combined your W/L might be 1.25:1, but they're both flying like crap and you can't flare."Some people follow their dreams, others hunt them down and beat them mercilessly into submission." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites davadikian 0 #12 November 9, 2007 QuoteIt can un-cock itselft e.g. when you bag your canopy. True, but I have found that the amount that it "uncocks" isn't enough to cause a mal its just enough to not show the color in the window... Mine is so worn out it seems just about every time I get a pin check people question whether it is in fact cocked. When I pack the PC using this method I know it has to be cocked or I wouldn't have been able to even fold it and get it in the pouch. Its not for everyone, people should do what theyre comfortable with. It has worked for both my wife and I for years now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jeffrey 0 #13 November 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteMine is so worn out it seems just about every time I get a pin check people question whether it is in fact cocked. You could fix that with a sharpie. Jeff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites davadikian 0 #14 November 10, 2007 Ya I think that at the loading area, so I jump, land, pack and then I'm back in the loading area saying the same thing again... My wife says she thinks I have ADD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jeffrey 0 #15 November 10, 2007 Quote Ya I think that at the loading area, so I jump, land, pack and then I'm back in the loading area saying the same thing again... I’m sure we can all relate to that. Jeff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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davadikian 0 #6 November 9, 2007 Why risk it?? http://www.bigairsportz.com/art-pilotchute.php Using this method you cant pack it if it isn't cocked, or at least it would be obvious it isn't cocked... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnskydiver688 0 #7 November 9, 2007 I know of a jumper that bought a rig and didn't realize that it had a collapsible PC. After a few jumps the jumper complained of slow openings and was informed of the PC. So it does happen and the packing method mentioned is a very good way to avoid it.Sky Canyon Wingsuiters Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #8 November 9, 2007 I'd say if you check you pin, you should check you kill-line PC too. They usually have an indicator window. It can un-cock itselft e.g. when you bag your canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #9 November 9, 2007 QuoteI steered them apart and cutaway. You're implying that you didn't have a downplane immediately upon opening, but that you (had to) create(d) one. What did the two-out look like?"That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
everymansaved 0 #10 November 9, 2007 That's correct. The reserve was on the left and behind. It was kind of an ofset bi-plane. I flew it briefly, but the two canopies were not flying very well together, so I induced a downplane and then cutaway.God made firefighters so paramedics would have heroes...and someone can put out the trailer fires. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UDSkyJunkie 0 #11 November 9, 2007 Quote I thought you werent suppose to cut away as long as it was landable??? First off, good question. That's the book answer, and it's the answer you'll see 99% of the time in the FJC, but it's not necessarily the only option. For students, who have almost zero gear knowledge and are in a very complex, unfamiliar situation, it's almost always the best option. If the canopies are in a bi-plane, and the main is in the back, cutting away the main may be a good choice. If the main's in the front, cutting away is the worst thing you could do. If they're in a side-by-side and you've got lots of altitude, inducing a downplane and cutting away may be a good choice. This applies even more if you've got very different sizes/planforms and/or small canopies... the thought of trying to land a PDR 143 and a Velo 84 isn't pretty... or imagine a PDR 99 and a Velo 84, even combined your W/L might be 1.25:1, but they're both flying like crap and you can't flare."Some people follow their dreams, others hunt them down and beat them mercilessly into submission." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davadikian 0 #12 November 9, 2007 QuoteIt can un-cock itselft e.g. when you bag your canopy. True, but I have found that the amount that it "uncocks" isn't enough to cause a mal its just enough to not show the color in the window... Mine is so worn out it seems just about every time I get a pin check people question whether it is in fact cocked. When I pack the PC using this method I know it has to be cocked or I wouldn't have been able to even fold it and get it in the pouch. Its not for everyone, people should do what theyre comfortable with. It has worked for both my wife and I for years now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeffrey 0 #13 November 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteMine is so worn out it seems just about every time I get a pin check people question whether it is in fact cocked. You could fix that with a sharpie. Jeff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites davadikian 0 #14 November 10, 2007 Ya I think that at the loading area, so I jump, land, pack and then I'm back in the loading area saying the same thing again... My wife says she thinks I have ADD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jeffrey 0 #15 November 10, 2007 Quote Ya I think that at the loading area, so I jump, land, pack and then I'm back in the loading area saying the same thing again... I’m sure we can all relate to that. Jeff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
davadikian 0 #14 November 10, 2007 Ya I think that at the loading area, so I jump, land, pack and then I'm back in the loading area saying the same thing again... My wife says she thinks I have ADD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeffrey 0 #15 November 10, 2007 Quote Ya I think that at the loading area, so I jump, land, pack and then I'm back in the loading area saying the same thing again... I’m sure we can all relate to that. Jeff Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
