clairesobba 0 #1 April 25, 2007 hypothesis- in case of a bag lock with a fully inflated drouge or a pilot chute, where chances are that the skydiver or a tandem pair would stay in belly to earth position ( which happened to me on my 2 bag locks), since theres no guide ring on the top reserve flap for the RSL lanyard, after a cutaway, and under a condition that risers clear their cover, pin would be pulled at 90 degree angle. What would be the affect on the pin: braking, bending .....? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #2 April 25, 2007 Quoteafter a cutaway, and under a condition that risers clear their cover, pin would be pulled at 90 degree angle. What would be the affect on the pin: braking, bending .....? Why would risers do anything with the main pin, if even the force by the PC/drouge could not remove it? I think pin, d-bag would stay were it was and PC/drouge would be trailing after the jumper under reserve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USPA 0 #3 April 25, 2007 A UPT reserve pin is curved, so neither.The trouble with skydiving; If you stink at it and continue to jump, you'll die. If you're good at it and continue to jump, you'll see a lot of friends die... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joellercoaster 6 #4 April 25, 2007 Does this mean that Sun Path and Aerodyne will be fitting curved reserve pins to their Skyhook-equipped containers also?-- "I'll tell you how all skydivers are judged, . They are judged by the laws of physics." - kkeenan "You jump out, pull the string and either live or die. What's there to be good at? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #5 April 25, 2007 Are you talking about a bag lock or a container lock (PC in tow)?Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #6 April 25, 2007 The V3/Sigma reserve pin is not really curved. The functional part of the pin (the blade) is straight. The upper portion of the pin curves slightly as it moves toward the ring portion where the RSL lanyard is attached. There's a good picture of it on page 35 of the manual here: http://www.unitedparachutetechnologies.com/PDF/Support/Manual/09354(V3_Manual).pdfArrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 56 #7 April 25, 2007 True. It looks curved, but the functional part of the pin is totally straight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 56 #8 April 25, 2007 QuoteWhy would risers do anything with the main pin, if even the force by the PC/drouge could not remove it? He is talking about the RESERVE pin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #9 April 25, 2007 Yeah, I've noticed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #10 April 25, 2007 QuoteDoes this mean that Sun Path and Aerodyne will be fitting curved reserve pins to their Skyhook-equipped containers also? I've heard rumors that Sun Path is going to a curved reserve pin... I don't know if that's in conjunction with a skyhook on their rigs or not... I've also heard that on their rigs built with out a skyhook (i.e. you order a rig from sunpath, but opt out of the skyhook option) they're goint to go to a RSL set-up like RWS / UPT, where the reserve pin is on the end of the RSL and the reserve handle/cable is just a pin puller. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TaylorC 0 #11 April 25, 2007 Quotehypothesis- in case of a bag lock with a fully inflated drouge or a pilot chute, where chances are that the skydiver or a tandem pair would stay in belly to earth position ( which happened to me on my 2 bag locks), since theres no guide ring on the top reserve flap for the RSL lanyard, after a cutaway, and under a condition that risers clear their cover, pin would be pulled at 90 degree angle. What would be the affect on the pin: braking, bending .....? check out the Skyhook video and you will see that there are no problems with it in a bag lock situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clairesobba 0 #12 April 25, 2007 its not truly curved, only the beginning of the pin is, but, body itself is straight, which actually matters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clairesobba 0 #13 April 25, 2007 where can i find the video? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TaylorC 0 #14 April 25, 2007 Quotewhere can i find the video? i think skydivingmovies.com has it or the webpage for RWS or whatever there called now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
klingeme 0 #15 April 25, 2007 Here is a direct link to the video. http://www.unitedparachutetechnologies.com/download/stream/Skyhook_History_Stream.mp4 Mark Klingelhoefer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbooth 10 #16 April 25, 2007 Quotehypothesis- in case of a bag lock with a fully inflated drouge or a pilot chute, where chances are that the skydiver or a tandem pair would stay in belly to earth position ( which happened to me on my 2 bag locks), since theres no guide ring on the top reserve flap for the RSL lanyard, after a cutaway, and under a condition that risers clear their cover, pin would be pulled at 90 degree angle. What would be the affect on the pin: braking, bending .....? This scenario has been tested again and again, both on the ground and in the air, and the system works fine. All rigs with the Skyhook will use the same RSL/Collins' Lanyard system as Relative Workshop/UPT, with the same pin. If you want to worry about something hanging up in a bag lock situation, worry about your riser covers. Very often, a bag lock will not open tuck tab riser covers. You will have to do it yourself, either before (recommended) or after you pull your cutaway handle. Here are some general numbers which may interest you: There are over 5,000 Skyhook equipped rigs out there. If we assume an average of just 200 jumps per rig, then over one million jumps have been made on Skyhook equipped rigs. If we use USPA's estimate of one malfunction for every 601 jumps (I think I remember that number correctly.), that means that there have been 1663 reserve uses of all types on Skyhook rigs. Add to that over 150 filmed test jumps done by Relative Workshop and Sun Path, and over 350 Skyhook demos done at DZ around the world, and you get a grand total of 2,160 actual Skyhook uses. At this point even I, one of worlds greatest skeptics and worriers, am beginning to believe that the Skyhook is a pretty damn good piece of equipment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeenan 13 #17 April 25, 2007 Quote [If you want to worry about something hanging up in a bag lock situation, worry about your riser covers. If only we had something to hold them just right, like a magnet or something..._____________________________________ Dude, you are so awesome... Can I be on your ash jump ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
everymansaved 0 #18 April 26, 2007 I've heard this is the case as well. I've yet to hear what tack Aerodyne is going to take.God made firefighters so paramedics would have heroes...and someone can put out the trailer fires. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #19 April 26, 2007 What is the future for those tuck tab riser covers? Any thing better out there on a drawing board? anyone?smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danne 0 #20 April 26, 2007 Quote What is the future for those tuck tab riser covers? Any thing better out there on a drawing board? anyone? Been living under a rock lately?http://www.unitedparachutetechnologies.com/ http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2478015;search_string=magnetic;#2478015 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2663825;search_string=magnetic;#2663825 /D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #21 April 26, 2007 QuoteWhat is the future for those tuck tab riser covers? Any thing better out there on a drawing board? anyone? Yep. www.velocityrigs.com---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
