kturnau 0 #1 February 28, 2007 Just ordered a demo Pilot 150. Does anyone have any packing tips for it like what to do with the nose, that sort of thing? Thanks!FALLATIO #13 PELT HEAD #20 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #2 February 28, 2007 I let the nose hang, I don't push it in, roll it, or do anything besides letting go of the nose with my knees. I quarter the slider evenly, pulling it away from the nose will get it to open faster, but the openings will be way less predictable and offheading. Light wrap on the tail, it doesn't need much. It already gives nice long snivels. Don't expect it to open fast, it won't. I tried packing it to open fast for 20 some jumps, and it just ends up opening like crap."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buried 0 #3 February 28, 2007 Quotepulling it more towards the nose will get it to open faster, what is your logic for this? *edit - and to the poster. nothing special needs to be done. just leave the nose or push it in slightly. Where is my fizzy-lifting drink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #4 February 28, 2007 Typo... I was corrected it as you were posting lol. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buried 0 #5 February 28, 2007 ah, ok. I was thinking you dont understand how canopies inflate/catch air Where is my fizzy-lifting drink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #6 February 28, 2007 No, just sleep deprived lol. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kturnau 0 #7 February 28, 2007 I figured I would probably just leave the nose alone. What are the colored packing aids all about that they advertise? I've never seen that.FALLATIO #13 PELT HEAD #20 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yossarian 0 #8 February 28, 2007 each lineset is a different colour where they attach to the canopy, A is blue, B orange etc... makes packing quicker :D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buried 0 #9 February 28, 2007 QuoteWhat are the colored packing aids all about that they advertise? I've never seen that. each line group has different color tabs. basically helps to quickly identify any misplaced/lost lines. or could help those learning to pack, i suppose. doug - no worries Where is my fizzy-lifting drink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kturnau 0 #10 February 28, 2007 Quoteeach lineset is a different colour where they attach to the canopy, A is blue, B orange etc... makes packing quicker :D That's pretty cool! FALLATIO #13 PELT HEAD #20 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #11 February 28, 2007 Check out this thread ... there's some Pilot-specific tips in it. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2661784"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
white_falcon 0 #12 February 28, 2007 My DZO bought a brand new Pilot 210 for a student canopy and let me put the first 50-60 jumps on it. I will tell it was a SLICK SOB but u get used to it. As for how to pack, like the other poster suggested, DO NOT roll the nose and roll the tail very little (jsut enuff to keep it tidy and under control. I typically "trash" packed it and never had an issue, always very nice on heading openings. Also, I have since leared to physcho pack and if I had it to do all over again, would definitely physcho pack a new pilot, no question, as it is much easier to control the material this way. Thats my $.02, if you don't use it all, I wuold expect some change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #13 February 28, 2007 Why do you need tips? Is there any issue? Just RTFM and do is so! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buried 0 #14 February 28, 2007 anyone know when they changed ZP materials? just curious. I know when my PD canopy was new it was a pain for 20 or so jumps (but then again i had less packing experience) vs my ~14 mth old pilot which was easy. I 99% sure it is ZP they used to use. Where is my fizzy-lifting drink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #15 February 28, 2007 They never made the pilot in anything other than slick as snot zp."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #16 March 2, 2007 Maybe my experience is unique, but about a year ago I demoed a Pilot 150 and Sabre2 150. The Pilot was supposedly brand new and was really easy to get in the bag. The Sabre2 supposedly had a few hundred jumps on it and was super slippery. I then bought a new Pilot 132, and it was easy to get in the bag from day 1. Not slippery like other new canopies I'd had.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #17 March 2, 2007 How was your dbag sized compared to the size of the canopies. I bet my pilot would be a breeze to pack if it wasn't on the upper limits of what fits in the bag. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buried 0 #18 March 2, 2007 they changed the ZP they used and the 'other' ZP isn't has slippery when new. It reflects what the111 said. go find someone with an older pilot and feel it. you will understand Where is my fizzy-lifting drink? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #19 March 2, 2007 So did they change from slippery to non, or vice-versa? Do I have the "old style" or "the new"?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerodyne 0 #20 March 2, 2007 QuoteI then bought a new Pilot 132, and it was easy to get in the bag from day 1. Not slippery like other new canopies I'd had. It's cause your a legend Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaerodyne 0 #21 March 2, 2007 Kevin You'll notice on the Pilot that we have color coded line attachment points, to help you flake out the canopy and also to identify the line groups while packing. Here is how I'd pack the Pilot. Once all the needed stuff like stowing the brakes and setting the slider are done, and you have walked the lines up and have them over your shoulder. Flake out the lines set groups and cells. Count out the nose and place it between your legs. Take the nose and set it just into the canopy (I do a little shaking of the nose to allow the canopy to settle either side). Fold the stabilizers over, then grab the tail and pull it up and over. Roll the tail a few times but not tight. Lay the canopy down and fold into the bag and stow the lines in a neat and even manor, leaving about a foot to a foot and a half of free stow. Let me know if this help, or you can PM me and I'll send a CD out with the Demo you have just placed. Blue Skies Karl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yossarian 0 #22 March 3, 2007 so you flake out the line groups before you put the tail between your legs? and do you do this with the slider down on the grommets or behind your head? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbondvegas 0 #23 March 4, 2007 the pilot is a super-slow (awesome) opening canopy...no need to roll the nose...it reacts (in my experience) very well to psycho-packing...which I would recommend.- - - I am not afraid of tomorrow, for I have seen yesterday and I love today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #24 March 4, 2007 Quoteit reacts (in my experience) very well to psycho-packing...which I would recommend. Have you tried to pack a brand new canopy? Even psycho-packing? I did. I could not even roll that beast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RossDagley 0 #25 March 4, 2007 I've had a brand new pilot (2 years ago) and a brand new Sabre2 (last year) - the marerial on the Pilot was made from teflon coated snot, whilst the Sabre2 was simply bananaskins on ice. They're both hard to pack at first. 50 jumps in and they're much easier. I pack(ed) them both exactly the same way, and never had an off-heading on either. Some brisker openings (500ft Vs. 800 ft) depending on how rushed I was, or how little care I put in, but both are awesome canopies and ideal for me as a beginner. Its a bit sad but I also had coloured packing tabs added to the sabre2 after being so used to them on the pilot - it didn't cost much and just makes my life that little bit easier - crayons on the lines might work just as easily for someone else Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
