Tonto 1 #1 July 17, 2006 I'm hearing rumblings that this has happened. Is that the case? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #2 July 17, 2006 Please see the "Manufacturer Contacts On dropzone.com ". You might find that manufacturers can give you better information if you go to them directly."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #3 July 17, 2006 The rumblings I'm hearing ARE from a manufacturer. I'm just looking for independant confirmation. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenneth21441 0 #4 July 17, 2006 This would be a great thing if the rumors are true. But I also hope that Bill Booth gets his part of it if true.... A great design.Kenneth Potter FAA Senior Parachute Rigger Tactical Delivery Instructor (Jeddah, KSA) FFL Gunsmith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spatula 0 #5 July 17, 2006 QuoteBut I also hope that Bill Booth gets his part of it if true.... How could he not, if he's the one who licenses it? Unless I don't understand it correctly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #6 July 17, 2006 QuoteThe rumblings I'm hearing ARE from a manufacturer. I'm just looking for independant confirmation. I can independently confirm that there are rumblings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billbooth 10 #7 July 17, 2006 I am planning to license the Skyhook, for use in sport container systems only, in February 2007, after talking with interested manufacturers at the PIA Symposium. The Skyhook now has several years of "perfect" function, so I think it is time to let it out into the general market. Over 90% of the rigs from Relative Workshop now go out the door with Skyhooks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 6 #8 July 17, 2006 QuoteI am planning to license the Skyhook, for use in sport container systems only, in February 2007, after talking with interested manufacturers at the PIA Symposium. The Skyhook now has several years of "perfect" function, so I think it is time to let it out into the general market. Over 90% of the rigs from Relative Workshop now go out the door with Skyhooks. *** And as with your other innovations...the sport is better off because of your involvement! Thanks!! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MB38 0 #9 July 17, 2006 Is this a wide license or a restricted one? Translation: are most/all major sport manufacturers involved or are there only a few select companies? Thanks, by the way. So I can lower my hard deck by 500 or 1,000 feet now, right? I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billbooth 10 #10 July 18, 2006 QuoteIs this a wide license or a restricted one? Translation: are most/all major sport manufacturers involved or are there only a few select companies? Thanks, by the way. So I can lower my hard deck by 500 or 1,000 feet now, right? My plan is to license it to anybody who wants it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kenneth21441 0 #11 July 18, 2006 Hopefully with a profit on your end of the deal. Since you invented, tested, etc....Not including its your design.Kenneth Potter FAA Senior Parachute Rigger Tactical Delivery Instructor (Jeddah, KSA) FFL Gunsmith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites propilot 0 #12 July 19, 2006 Do you anticipate there being retrofits availible? I want one on my Wings! thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MB38 0 #13 July 19, 2006 Bill, have the manufacturers been given access to the parts and specifications as of now and aren't allowed to sell until 02/07, or will they be given access then and have to design their system after that date? I expect that there is a lot of R&D for each individual company to work on in order to make the Skyhook mate with their particular container safely and properly. With regards to retrofits... I imagine that the level to which a particular manufacturer has to modify their current design to work well with the Skyhook will determine whether or not retrofits are available. Also - from the other company's perspectives - they probably want you to buy a new rig. But I hope that won't weigh too heavily into their decision. If a retrofit is as simple as modifying a single flap to accept the Skyhook... maybe retrofits are possible. If it's as complex as I expect it to be [with some reserve container designs, not all], I wouldn't see retrofits being possible/viable. But I really don't know shit.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tdog 0 #14 July 19, 2006 Quote If a retrofit is as simple as modifying a single flap to accept the Skyhook... maybe retrofits are possible. If it's as complex as I expect it to be [with some reserve container designs, not all], I wouldn't see retrofits being possible/viable. But I really don't know shit. You have to have a Collin's Lanyard to make the skyhook safe... Also, the RSL is hooked directly to the reserve pin, with the reserve handle cable looped thru the reserve pin - because the timing has to be more accurate than the rsl ring system that strips the reserve cable. A lot of hardware has to be adjusted to make the system work. I don't suspect this is an easy retrofit... Possible, yes. Easy, no. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #15 July 19, 2006 How will the install/ retrofit affect the TSO? Will the rig have to repeat the whole battery of tests? What about the Vector II? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MB38 0 #16 July 19, 2006 QuoteQuote If a retrofit is as simple as modifying a single flap to accept the Skyhook... maybe retrofits are possible. If it's as complex as I expect it to be [with some reserve container designs, not all], I wouldn't see retrofits being possible/viable. But I really don't know shit. You have to have a Collin's Lanyard to make the skyhook safe... Also, the RSL is hooked directly to the reserve pin, with the reserve handle cable looped thru the reserve pin - because the timing has to be more accurate than the rsl ring system that strips the reserve cable. A lot of hardware has to be adjusted to make the system work. I don't suspect this is an easy retrofit... Possible, yes. Easy, no. Of course, I'm aware of the Collin's lanyard and modified pin hardware. To me, those modifications seem "easy" when compared to installing the Skyhook itself. If it's as simple as sewing it onto a preexisting flap, terrific. My fear is that a far more in-depth redesign of a few container's reserve trays/flaps may be necessary. That was my point.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tdog 0 #17 July 19, 2006 Quote Of course, I'm aware of the Collin's lanyard and modified pin hardware. To me, those modifications seem "easy" when compared to installing the Skyhook itself. If it's as simple as sewing it onto a preexisting flap, terrific. My fear is that a far more in-depth redesign of a few container's reserve trays/flaps may be necessary. That was my point. Well, the skyhook is on the bridal, not the rig... So installing the skyhook would be as simple as getting a new bridal with one on... It is all the other gack that makes it work... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites labrys 0 #18 July 19, 2006 QuoteWell, the skyhook is on the bridal, not the rig... So installing the skyhook would be as simple as getting a new bridal with one on... It is all the other gack that makes it work... I'm pretty sure my rig has at least one extra reserve flap for the Skyhook. Edit to add this from the RWS website. QuoteThe Skyhook sits inside your reserve container, on top of the #2 kicker flap, right under your reserve pilot chute. A small cover flap protects the SkyHook assemblage. So yes, there is an extra flap.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tdog 0 #19 July 19, 2006 Quote So yes, there is an extra flap. Yep, mine has an extra flap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MB38 0 #20 July 20, 2006 Exactly, that's the flap I'm talking about. The Skyhook - on the bridle - lives inside of it. If all it takes is sewing the new flap/pouch into place and routing everything accordingly [in addition to replacing/modifying the cutaway housings, RSL, etc.] then it shouldn't be bad. My concern stems from clearance and routing issues. Not every container closes like the Vector. In those cases, I imagine that a more complicated reserve container design is in order... making retrofits potentially impossible for those brands. Anyway, I think I've diverted the thread enough.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mbondvegas 0 #21 July 20, 2006 SWEET! If they can retro my Jav...I'm having it done. The video of skyhook deployments on the RWS site are amazing. It looks like the best rig advancement since the three rings. Hmm.the three rings, BOC, and the skyhook...all developed by Booth...what are the other container designer's doing?- - - I am not afraid of tomorrow, for I have seen yesterday and I love today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #22 July 20, 2006 Quote BOC IT"S CALLED A THROW OUT FOR CHRIST SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #23 July 20, 2006 Quote...what are the other container designer's doing?For the most part Copying RWSYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggermick 6 #24 July 20, 2006 QuoteQuote...what are the other container designer's doing?For the most part Copying RWS And vice versa, bill isn't the only one with good ideas out there. It's a time honored tradition, copying from others. Every now and then someone comes up with a small detail on their product that somehow magicly appears on their competitors products a short time later. Funny how that happens huh? Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites feuergnom 22 #25 July 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote...what are the other container designer's doing?For the most part Copying RWS And vice versa, bill isn't the only one with good ideas out there. It's a time honored tradition, copying from others. Every now and then someone comes up with a small detail on their product that somehow magicly appears on their competitors products a short time later. Funny how that happens huh? Mick. remember the time when collapsible sliders came up? well this feature was invented by some riggers "in field" and deemed unsafe by canopy manufacturers. yet soon after the first mods, collapsible sliders were common. and: bill booth isn't the only one with good ideas. it's just that RWS-rigs are widespreadThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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billbooth 10 #7 July 17, 2006 I am planning to license the Skyhook, for use in sport container systems only, in February 2007, after talking with interested manufacturers at the PIA Symposium. The Skyhook now has several years of "perfect" function, so I think it is time to let it out into the general market. Over 90% of the rigs from Relative Workshop now go out the door with Skyhooks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #8 July 17, 2006 QuoteI am planning to license the Skyhook, for use in sport container systems only, in February 2007, after talking with interested manufacturers at the PIA Symposium. The Skyhook now has several years of "perfect" function, so I think it is time to let it out into the general market. Over 90% of the rigs from Relative Workshop now go out the door with Skyhooks. *** And as with your other innovations...the sport is better off because of your involvement! Thanks!! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB38 0 #9 July 17, 2006 Is this a wide license or a restricted one? Translation: are most/all major sport manufacturers involved or are there only a few select companies? Thanks, by the way. So I can lower my hard deck by 500 or 1,000 feet now, right? I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbooth 10 #10 July 18, 2006 QuoteIs this a wide license or a restricted one? Translation: are most/all major sport manufacturers involved or are there only a few select companies? Thanks, by the way. So I can lower my hard deck by 500 or 1,000 feet now, right? My plan is to license it to anybody who wants it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenneth21441 0 #11 July 18, 2006 Hopefully with a profit on your end of the deal. Since you invented, tested, etc....Not including its your design.Kenneth Potter FAA Senior Parachute Rigger Tactical Delivery Instructor (Jeddah, KSA) FFL Gunsmith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
propilot 0 #12 July 19, 2006 Do you anticipate there being retrofits availible? I want one on my Wings! thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB38 0 #13 July 19, 2006 Bill, have the manufacturers been given access to the parts and specifications as of now and aren't allowed to sell until 02/07, or will they be given access then and have to design their system after that date? I expect that there is a lot of R&D for each individual company to work on in order to make the Skyhook mate with their particular container safely and properly. With regards to retrofits... I imagine that the level to which a particular manufacturer has to modify their current design to work well with the Skyhook will determine whether or not retrofits are available. Also - from the other company's perspectives - they probably want you to buy a new rig. But I hope that won't weigh too heavily into their decision. If a retrofit is as simple as modifying a single flap to accept the Skyhook... maybe retrofits are possible. If it's as complex as I expect it to be [with some reserve container designs, not all], I wouldn't see retrofits being possible/viable. But I really don't know shit.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #14 July 19, 2006 Quote If a retrofit is as simple as modifying a single flap to accept the Skyhook... maybe retrofits are possible. If it's as complex as I expect it to be [with some reserve container designs, not all], I wouldn't see retrofits being possible/viable. But I really don't know shit. You have to have a Collin's Lanyard to make the skyhook safe... Also, the RSL is hooked directly to the reserve pin, with the reserve handle cable looped thru the reserve pin - because the timing has to be more accurate than the rsl ring system that strips the reserve cable. A lot of hardware has to be adjusted to make the system work. I don't suspect this is an easy retrofit... Possible, yes. Easy, no. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #15 July 19, 2006 How will the install/ retrofit affect the TSO? Will the rig have to repeat the whole battery of tests? What about the Vector II? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB38 0 #16 July 19, 2006 QuoteQuote If a retrofit is as simple as modifying a single flap to accept the Skyhook... maybe retrofits are possible. If it's as complex as I expect it to be [with some reserve container designs, not all], I wouldn't see retrofits being possible/viable. But I really don't know shit. You have to have a Collin's Lanyard to make the skyhook safe... Also, the RSL is hooked directly to the reserve pin, with the reserve handle cable looped thru the reserve pin - because the timing has to be more accurate than the rsl ring system that strips the reserve cable. A lot of hardware has to be adjusted to make the system work. I don't suspect this is an easy retrofit... Possible, yes. Easy, no. Of course, I'm aware of the Collin's lanyard and modified pin hardware. To me, those modifications seem "easy" when compared to installing the Skyhook itself. If it's as simple as sewing it onto a preexisting flap, terrific. My fear is that a far more in-depth redesign of a few container's reserve trays/flaps may be necessary. That was my point.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #17 July 19, 2006 Quote Of course, I'm aware of the Collin's lanyard and modified pin hardware. To me, those modifications seem "easy" when compared to installing the Skyhook itself. If it's as simple as sewing it onto a preexisting flap, terrific. My fear is that a far more in-depth redesign of a few container's reserve trays/flaps may be necessary. That was my point. Well, the skyhook is on the bridal, not the rig... So installing the skyhook would be as simple as getting a new bridal with one on... It is all the other gack that makes it work... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #18 July 19, 2006 QuoteWell, the skyhook is on the bridal, not the rig... So installing the skyhook would be as simple as getting a new bridal with one on... It is all the other gack that makes it work... I'm pretty sure my rig has at least one extra reserve flap for the Skyhook. Edit to add this from the RWS website. QuoteThe Skyhook sits inside your reserve container, on top of the #2 kicker flap, right under your reserve pilot chute. A small cover flap protects the SkyHook assemblage. So yes, there is an extra flap.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #19 July 19, 2006 Quote So yes, there is an extra flap. Yep, mine has an extra flap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB38 0 #20 July 20, 2006 Exactly, that's the flap I'm talking about. The Skyhook - on the bridle - lives inside of it. If all it takes is sewing the new flap/pouch into place and routing everything accordingly [in addition to replacing/modifying the cutaway housings, RSL, etc.] then it shouldn't be bad. My concern stems from clearance and routing issues. Not every container closes like the Vector. In those cases, I imagine that a more complicated reserve container design is in order... making retrofits potentially impossible for those brands. Anyway, I think I've diverted the thread enough.I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbondvegas 0 #21 July 20, 2006 SWEET! If they can retro my Jav...I'm having it done. The video of skyhook deployments on the RWS site are amazing. It looks like the best rig advancement since the three rings. Hmm.the three rings, BOC, and the skyhook...all developed by Booth...what are the other container designer's doing?- - - I am not afraid of tomorrow, for I have seen yesterday and I love today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #22 July 20, 2006 Quote BOC IT"S CALLED A THROW OUT FOR CHRIST SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #23 July 20, 2006 Quote...what are the other container designer's doing?For the most part Copying RWSYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggermick 6 #24 July 20, 2006 QuoteQuote...what are the other container designer's doing?For the most part Copying RWS And vice versa, bill isn't the only one with good ideas out there. It's a time honored tradition, copying from others. Every now and then someone comes up with a small detail on their product that somehow magicly appears on their competitors products a short time later. Funny how that happens huh? Mick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
feuergnom 22 #25 July 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote...what are the other container designer's doing?For the most part Copying RWS And vice versa, bill isn't the only one with good ideas out there. It's a time honored tradition, copying from others. Every now and then someone comes up with a small detail on their product that somehow magicly appears on their competitors products a short time later. Funny how that happens huh? Mick. remember the time when collapsible sliders came up? well this feature was invented by some riggers "in field" and deemed unsafe by canopy manufacturers. yet soon after the first mods, collapsible sliders were common. and: bill booth isn't the only one with good ideas. it's just that RWS-rigs are widespreadThe universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle dudeist skydiver # 666 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
