Nataly 38 #1 December 22, 2012 Every week, we play poker... We put in €10 and at the end the winner takes 70% and the second best gets 30%. I have been playing for about 5 months now... I'm not very good, but sometimes with a bit of luck I come close-ish to the last players. Last time I won, much to the annoyance of my boyfriend, who claimed loudly that I played terribly and ended up being very lucky. This time, as it is the last game of the year, we played with more people, for more money... I won again, and again my b/f is being a sourpuss because I supposedly played a rotten game but still somehow managed to win. All night all his friends kept saying "Nat, do you realise you've won??!". And I down-played it... The truth is that of course I had some very lucky hands... But overall, I think I played fairly well. And I'm totally delighted to have won after soooooooo many losses... Why can't the b/f just be happy that I won???"There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ghost47 18 #2 December 22, 2012 QuoteWhy can't the b/f just be happy that I won??? 1. He likes to think of himself as the savvy poker player, and the fact that you won while doing things he wouldn't have done may be seen as evidence that he's not such a good poker player. So, for his own ego, he must play down the importance of your win. and/or 2. He's immature, and a bit of an ass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #3 December 22, 2012 Nat, being unpredictable can screw with experienced players because you don't follow the norm. My first time ever at a table was at LP this year. We had 14 players at 2 tables and I ended up winning. Whether it be luck or understanding the game, you ended up with the chips. Enjoy the cash and don't let them get to you.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #4 December 22, 2012 Tell your bf he's a dick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #5 December 22, 2012 Hi Is the same man that leave's you in the dust when you go hiking, and now thisSo when's the wedding One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingRhenquest 1 #6 December 22, 2012 I can be a decent poker player when I'm focused, but I tend to be an adrenaline junkie and a bit ADD. I've found that the better a poker player is (or thinks he is) the more likely it is he'll go on tilt if you make what he thinks is a bad call and win with it. I've donked Russ Carlson (who's been on the final table in televised tournaments) out of $60 tournaments up in Blackhawk a few times and and he goes stamping off while ranting about terrible players. Thing is, every time I've donked him off (And it really has only been a couple of times) he committed his chips on fairly weak hands. He called because he thought I was full of shit and I actually did have a decent drawing hands. I'm a sucker for 4 card flush draws, even though the odds say I'm going to lose those more often than I win. He thought he was clever and was setting a trap, but if he'd been patient for a bit he probably could have got me on a hand where I went all in from a position I couldn't beat him from. Like the song says, you got to know when to fold 'em too. Most players (including myself way too often) fall in love with a particular hand and just try to make something happen with it. That'll knock you out of a tournament faster than anything else. But putting an opponent on tilt is as good a strategy as anything else! Angry people tend to make more mistakes. So if you can push your BF's buttons early on in the next match, maybe you can take all his chips away from him early on (Which would serve him right for being a bad sport) and use them as leverage for another win!I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nataly 38 #7 December 22, 2012 Thing is, I know he knows all the odds of the game and I also know he thinks I bluff all the time with absolutely nothing to bluff with (nothing on the table that could amount to anything). The truth is that I almost never fold in the beginning because I want to see what is on the table. I almost never bluff when there is something too obvious on the table (it's too obvious). I tend to bluff on hands that are unexpected because I also tend to win on hands that are unexpected and it throws people off. I'm very good at having an AWESOME hand and slowly suckering people into going all-in, thinking it's their idea... They assume I have no fucking clue what I'm doing... The truth is that on average, I *don't* play well, but after playing the same people for a while, I know some of them will play big if tempted the right way. I tend to lose a lot of small bets but then clean-out players who think they have a better hand or just think I have nothing at all. Personally, I think against a weak player, they make big mistakes, and sometimes I manage to use this in my favour. He's right though... Statistically, I shouldn't have won... But also, he shouldn't have gone all-in when he did."There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #8 December 22, 2012 it couldn't be More simple....sounds like You're a Winnersounds like He's a Loser Done "Deal" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrightskyguy 1 #9 December 22, 2012 The best thing you could do is to have sex with all of his freinds. John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #10 December 22, 2012 Every answer in this thread has been spot-on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,352 #11 December 22, 2012 Quote The best thing you could do is to have sex with all of his freinds your stalkers here on DZ.com. FIFY "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingRhenquest 1 #12 December 22, 2012 I'm usually too conservative, if anything. Pre-flop any two cards can win, and I've thrown away the worst hands pre-flop only to see them flop a full house. Then I get into a situation where I haven't played a hand for 2 hours while the blinds chip away at me, and my only option is to go all-in on a mediocre hand and hope for the best. Only thing is the Casino's about an hour's drive up into the mountains, all the local free bar tournaments have dried up and I can't find a game online anymore. I could go play a tournament on the weekend, but I'd much rather go skydiving. It's not that much more expensive and it's way more fun! If I didn't have anything else, I could probably make a better living on 2/100 limit tables up at Blackhawk than I could flipping burgers. It would be the most stressful job I can imagine though, would still take 8 hours a day or more and one wrong move could wipe out the day's work. For the people who enjoy the lifestyle, that's great, but I'm actually too much of a slacker to make a really good poker player! The dealers up there seem to bring down some pretty decent cash from tips. That wouldn't be a bad job option either. It's just a little too customer-facing for my liking.I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #13 December 22, 2012 Maybe a little stress relief in the way of "Strip Poker " is in order,,,,There used to be a sign that hung outside an old liquor store that read " Liquor upfront , Poker in the rear " smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #14 December 22, 2012 Quote The truth is that on average, I *don't* play well, but after playing the same people for a while, I know some of them will play big if tempted the right way. The truth is.... You played very poorly!! Which means the BF played extremely fricken poorly since you beat him? The best poker players I've seen are unpredictable. To the BF, you're unpredictable and it's pissing him off. That is, and will always be, your edge. Next game, show up with sunglasses but never put them on.Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malta_Dog 0 #15 December 22, 2012 Just show him this pie chart All your dropzone are belong to us!!!!111! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nataly 38 #16 December 22, 2012 Quote The best poker players I've seen are unpredictable. To the BF, you're unpredictable and it's pissing him off. That is, and will always be, your edge. At my skill level (which is not very high), one of my biggest assets is that people think I don't know what I'm doing (they're not entirely wrong). So I'm all too happy to play up this fact in the hopes that I get enough good hands (or enough good bluffs) to come up on top. It's not a great strategy over time because I'm not that good at bluffing and not that lucky either. Last night I got some extremely lucky breaks, I got a couple of decent bluffs in, and I threw off a couple of people into making some bad decisions. I shouldn't have won, statistically, but I did. And dammit, considering my skill level, I'm pretty happy with how I played."There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #17 December 22, 2012 QuoteThe best poker players I've seen are unpredictable. To the BF, you're unpredictable and it's pissing him off. That is, and will always be, your edge. That's not an edge. She already admitted to playing nearly every hand and that she consistently loses poker tournaments. This is not successful poker and if she continues to play the same way, she will continue to lose. She may win once in awhile but over time she'll still be in the red. Like the old cliche saying goes, even a broken clock is right two times a day... People who play like this depend almost entirely on luck and that's not really what poker is about. You can't be surprised when people get pissed when they're essentially forced to play "heads or tails" for 5 hours. There's no thinking, no strategy-you just put all your money in and let the cards fall. You might as well just go play Bingo or Pokeno. Now, since Nataly has only been playing for 5 months, I don't consider her to be a donk....yet. She's just a new player learning the game. Losing is a big part of learnig and certain mistakes will have to be corrected if you are to have any chance at being a successful player over time. When someone gets rewarded for making mistakes it will be met with ridicule....it's just part of the game and can be used as a valuable learning tool. This all reminds me of Wendy's sig line quote from tbrown: "There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence." Donks are essentially the heroine junkies of poker. They only care about the rush. Their only consistency i is losing. They simply drag good players down with them and destroy opportunities - eventually squandering all that they have and then some. However...donks, as abhorrent as they are, are still part of the game. Ya, they may be a temporary annoyance and spoil a victory or two for you, but they contribute a substantial amount to the prize pool and the odds are tremendously in favor of those who know how to win consistently. So you have to ask yourself the question:"Do I want to learn how to play real poker and experience true victory or do I just want to continue to be ridiculed for shitty play and then wonder why I lose all the time?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie 3 #18 December 22, 2012 i will have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. i believe the point here is that she was having a good time and the bf is a total dick about it. i have a poker game with friends sometimes and have a friend like that, thinks he's the shit. plays odds and bets "properly". in a hold 'em tourney, he's not too bad. when we play dealer's choice, i win just about every time. point is, it's all about fun, not winning. for everyone, $10 (at our game) buys about 5 hours of hanging out with friends, drinking, playing cards. cheap entertainment and good company. the only time i fold pre-flop is if someone goes all in. ever.http://kitswv.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #19 December 23, 2012 I agree...no point in being a dick at a small friendly game, especially heads up. Most people bitch about donks earlier on in bigger tourneys, not at the end since donks don't usually make it that far. Even if they do, everyone tends to play more aggressive when you're down to 3-4 players and you will have to get "lucky" anyway.. The skill of the game is knowing how to make it through a thick field and giving yourself a chance to cash at the final table. I am curious though to know how the final hand played out...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 38 #20 December 23, 2012 Silly boys, this is NOT about poker. Krip nailed it.lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #21 December 23, 2012 Quote Silly boys, this is NOT about poker. Krip nailed it. Doh....either way, I don't really have enough information to make an accurate assessment, so I'll just stick to what I know: "Rolled up aces over kings. Check-raising stupid tourists and taking huge pots"Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #22 December 23, 2012 Quote So when's the wedding "But I know I can change him!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rifleman 61 #23 December 23, 2012 A comedian once said that the way a bride enters the church sets the whole tone for the marriage - as she comes in, the first thing she sees is the aisle stretching out before her. The next thing she sees is the altar and then she sees you (the groom). So the sequence is: Aisle altar you. @ Nataly: If you want to get better at poker try joining pokerstars.com as they have a free poker academy that you work through online. I'm about halfway through the course and my game has improved no end.Atheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #24 December 23, 2012 Is this the same guy that takes you on death marches until you're physically exhausted AND now is being verbally abusive? Come on N@, you know what the answer is here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nataly 38 #25 December 23, 2012 They are friendly games, not "tournaments"... The only person who takes poker seriously is my bf, and even he knows *these* games are just fun (as opposed to when he plays online, for significant amounts of money). It's just like someone said: for €10, you spend a great evening with friends and beer, it's cheap and fun entertainment. Since I started, I make it to about every other game, so I estimate that in total I've played about 10 games or so. People give terrible pointers (or no pointers at all), because most of them only play these games and don't even really have a strategy. My learning curve hasn't been all that great because I'm more interested in having fun than winning. The stakes were higher the other day, so clearly *everyone* was more interested in winning, but none of the other 14 people threw a hissy fit when they made the mistake of going all-in pre-flop with only ok-ish cards."There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
