Bluhdow 31 #26 June 7, 2013 QuoteUSPA spent/lost more money on the now-known to be manipulated Chicago record that they had to rescind (first rescinding due to a cheater in the history of USPA, who buys the beer?) than spent on the WSI proposal. I'm more interested in this. How about splitting out another thread? I'm curious about the details...how can somebody cheat? It's all there in the photos/video as far as I know.Apex BASE #1816 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robinheid 0 #27 June 7, 2013 DSE ******Or, you could call your RD and say "Hey, I was told that USPA dollars relating to wingsuiting were spent. Can you share that information with me? Simon, you've long set a precedent of nitpicking, arguing, twisting, prevaricating, or manipulating anything I share regarding wingsuiting and wingsuit safety. As a result, I chose to not post it, yet have provided you the opportunity to dig into it if you genuinely want information vs having something more to steal, piss about, or create FUD over.j Who knows...in the process, you might learn more about how USPA operates. You're welcome. IIRC, most of the USPA $$$ spent on wingsuiting relate directly to the preposterous proposal you tried to ram down everyone's throat, your advocacy of which was rife with, ahem... "nitpicking, arguing, twisting, prevaricating, or manipulating anything" said by anyone who disagreed with you. Fortunately, the BOD saw through all that to the preposterousness and that was the end of that except for all the $$ your actions caused USPA to blow. That aside, I agree with Simon that Bill can do whatever he wants -- it's his DZ. He did the same thing with swooping a while back too -- I think there's a 90-degree landing turn limit. IIRC, though, no swooping advocate got on the forums and started spouting sputum about the percentage of DZs in the past 5 years that have banned swooping. 44 Please support your preposterous claim that USPA spent a dime on the WSI proposal. If USPA spent a dime, it'll be shown in the financial report. Given that I personally paid for all handouts, DVDs, and for all my own travel, hotel...I'm curious how you'd make such a bullshit claim. Then again, prevarication *is* your stock in trade. USPA spent/lost more money on the now-known to be manipulated Chicago record that they had to rescind (first rescinding due to a cheater in the history of USPA, who buys the beer?) than spent on the WSI proposal. The financial records were reported at the meeting, they're published, a resourceful dude like yourself should be able to find backup for your specious claim. Since you toss the accusation, back it up. Otherwise, STFU, Robin. Or are you gonna call my employers and tattle and whine about me again? I rest my case. 44SCR-6933 / SCS-3463 / D-5533 / BASE 44 / CCS-37 / 82d Airborne (Ret.) "The beginning of wisdom is to first call things by their right names." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #28 June 7, 2013 C'mon Robin...you made a statement of fact. Prove it. Demonstrate it. Show us where the USPA spent money. Otherwise, it's just more bullshit spewed from your supercilious piehole. Prove me wrong in saying USPA spent no money on the WSI. I dare you. In fact, I double-dog dare you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flipwithit 0 #29 June 7, 2013 dthames***What would also prompt their ban on tracking dives? (referring to the poster image file) I am still curious if they really also ban tracking jumps and if so, what are they trying to make better......not landing off? Thanks, Dan yes tracking as well as wingsuiting has been fired. and as with most everything else, because bill said so. a girl with 100ish jumps hooked into the grapes trying to make it back rather than chosing a safe out (she flew too wide of a pattern (tracking) and was afraid of getting fired for landing out.) so with that fact, your guess is as good as mine as to why bill got rid of tracking jumps. cloverdale is doing 15$ jump tickets thru july 7th though, come on out :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rbignon 0 #30 June 8, 2013 Mr moderator isnt this a bit off topic. im sure glad that we are on the other side of america so much drama over there. if you dont like that wingsuits are banned take your business somewhere else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WickedWingsuits 0 #31 June 8, 2013 DSE Or, you could call your RD and say "Hey, I was told that USPA dollars relating to wingsuiting were spent. Can you share that information with me? Simon, you've long set a precedent of nitpicking, arguing, twisting, prevaricating, or manipulating anything I share regarding wingsuiting and wingsuit safety. As a result, I chose to not post it, yet have provided you the opportunity to dig into it if you genuinely want information vs having something more to steal, piss about, or create FUD over.j Who knows...in the process, you might learn more about how USPA operates. You're welcome. Back to the issue of wingsuits being banned. I have chatted with a couple of folks (RD) so far that don't really know what you are getting at. Just waiting for a ND to call me back. Is it something to do with liability insurance? Can I get the next clue please?Summer Rental special, 5 weeks for the price of 4! That is $160 a month. Try before You Buy with Wicked Wingsuits - WingsuitRental.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,632 #32 June 9, 2013 www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4370100;#4370100... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccordia 73 #33 June 9, 2013 kallend www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4370100;#4370100 At least that second reply in that thread got sortedBut no mention of that of course...heheJC FlyLikeBrick I'm an Athlete? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shakey 0 #34 June 10, 2013 (I'm commenting on this against my better judgement.) AFAIK, USPA paid $$$ on insurance claims relating to tail strikes. Some of these involved people wearing wingsuits. Some of them involved people not wearing wingsuits. Spot - you helped teach me how to WS and gave me your team room when I needed a place to stay. You are pretty awesome. Wickey - you rented me gear, we have downed beers and hucked objects together. You are pretty awesome. What the %$#@ is it about you two online? Can you guys meet at a neutral DZ and hug it out? -Shakey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WickedWingsuits 0 #35 June 10, 2013 Sounds like a good excuse for a beer. Online forums, email, text in general is a pretty weak form of communication. I read a few articles recently about how it is a real issue for the younger generation. Boy I never thought I would be saying that. Spot and I have always been much nicer to each other in person than online. My last couple of attempts to discuss topics in the forums have ended as badly as they have I the past. I think it is more about the medium than the person or the relationship. It works well for getting information out there and has great value. For other topics its not so good. We might now have to debate my opinion on Internet forums! Thanks for pointing out the childishness....it's true. Summer Rental special, 5 weeks for the price of 4! That is $160 a month. Try before You Buy with Wicked Wingsuits - WingsuitRental.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #36 June 10, 2013 I fully agree with your first sentence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
medusa 0 #37 June 10, 2013 Getting back to the original question (The mediators of the forum could do a better job keeping in track the conversation instead of letting their bias lead their fingers) Yes WS are ban at lodi, we are experiencing more and more people showing up with high performance WS and not enough jumps under their belt. Also more and more people jumping incorrect set up for their WS needs. This lead to bill to prohibit WS to everyone. I have been trying to get him to consider more strict rules and regulations but it seems like he had had enough with wing suiters. We do a good job in here regulating, there is a good amount of senior WS pilots and we don't experience close call with stabilizer or non of that. People are always looking after each other. But, well you can't fix stupid! When Bill banned WS people quickly transfer to their tracking suits, we had a visitor jumper who was flying her tracking suit and her pattern was not good. She was informed by couple of senior jumpers that she needed to change her patter and try to get closer to the DZ. She end up landing out and hooking her self in. So after this, Bill decided No Tracking Suit either, in fact no tracking jumps either. So as it today: - You can't fly your WS in Lodi - You can track with a tracking suit in Lodi - you can't do tracking dives in Lodi I will be jumping and expanding to other dropzones around the area. More and more jumpers are going to Davis and we had 9 WS pilots the other day during a weekday. I hope this helps Medusa Get Killed or Die Trying! Patent pending ATFK15456 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 3 #38 June 10, 2013 Quote Yes WS are ban at lodi, we are experiencing more and more people showing up with high performance WS and not enough jumps under their belt. Also more and more people jumping incorrect set up for their WS needs. This lead to Bill to prohibit WS to everyone. I have been trying to get him to consider more strict rules and regulations but it seems like he had had enough with wing suiters. This is becoming more the common view. Thanks for doing your part. If we can work together to get WS to fly 'right', perhaps we can stop/reverse the trend. (BTW, I don't moderate the WS forums, in here, i'm just an asshole like everyone else) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,632 #40 June 10, 2013 I haven't been to Lodi. Is the LZ very small? We have lots of WS newbies at Skydive Chicago and we don't have a problem with off-landings. Always seemed to me that you have way more control over where you deploy in a WS than when doing RW.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #41 June 10, 2013 Your last sentence is exactly why a few DZ's I'm familiar with will NOT go out and pickup wingies who land off. With miles of range, there really is no reason to land off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisHoward 8 #42 June 10, 2013 flipwithita girl with 100ish jumps hooked into the grapes trying to make it back rather than chosing a safe out (she flew too wide of a pattern (tracking) and was afraid of getting fired for landing out. It's sad to see a DZ owner perpetuating a "Land on the DZ at all costs" mentality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parachutist 1 #43 June 10, 2013 medusa This lead to bill to prohibit WS to everyone. I have been trying to get him to consider more strict rules and regulations but it seems like he had had enough with wing suiters. In the not-too-distant past... maybe 3 months ago... you stopped by our DZ and you didn't like our WS rules. One of the most basic rules: You must have a log book. You were made aware of these rules before you even drove to our DZ, but you didn't produce a log book. We also require personal approval from the DZO. He asks you some questions, checks you out to make him confident you won't wreck the airplane, etc. Our DZO was out of town that day. You filmed a video on your way home, saying you'd been wrongly discriminated against as a wingsuiter, and you shared that with FB. Because you had been made aware of these rules before you came here, and you didn't bother to schedule an appointment with the DZO or bring a log book, I don't believe a word you're saying about trying to convince Lodi to use strict rules. Maybe if you had a USPA license with WS license/rating/whatever listed in plain view, manifest attendants everywhere would be able to give you a thumbs-up, knowing that you were ready to fly at their DZ. At this point, however, all DZ's must create their own hoops for WS'ers to jump through, or create walls that WS'ers can't go through in order to satisfy their concerns. medusa I will be jumping and expanding to other dropzones around the area. More and more jumpers are going to Davis and we had 9 WS pilots the other day during a weekday. I hope this helps I hope that works for you. Eventually you may run out of new playgrounds, unless some quality WS training gets standardized and broadly accepted by DZOs. In USA the only way I'd expect that broad acceptance would be as part of the USPA licensing system. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #44 June 10, 2013 Did you just open up the USPA Wingsuit can of shit??? OMG that's damn funny right there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
parachutist 1 #45 June 10, 2013 normiss Did you just open up the USPA Wingsuit can of shit??? OMG that's damn funny right there. It's the only can out there right now, other than "Put signs on the plane and around the DZ". I don't have too much faith in that one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #46 June 10, 2013 Well it was the only can...it's been recycled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WickedWingsuits 0 #47 June 10, 2013 parachutist ***Did you just open up the USPA Wingsuit can of shit??? OMG that's damn funny right there. It's the only can out there right now, other than "Put signs on the plane and around the DZ". I don't have too much faith in that one Right, because people only react to rules and regulation. http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/sledgehammer-to-crack-a-nut.html To date nobody at a dropzone with a sign has hit the tail. Based on other examples here I therefore conclude that good signs prevent tail strikes.Summer Rental special, 5 weeks for the price of 4! That is $160 a month. Try before You Buy with Wicked Wingsuits - WingsuitRental.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,632 #48 June 10, 2013 WickedWingsuits ******Did you just open up the USPA Wingsuit can of shit??? OMG that's damn funny right there. It's the only can out there right now, other than "Put signs on the plane and around the DZ". I don't have too much faith in that one Right, because people only react to rules and regulation. http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/sledgehammer-to-crack-a-nut.html To date nobody at a dropzone with a sign has hit the tail. Based on other examples here I therefore conclude that good signs prevent tail strikes. Has anyone at a DZ with a sign been eaten by a tiger?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #49 June 10, 2013 I know DZ's with no stickers AND no tigers. No issues! until some wingsuit 'organizers' show up anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WickedWingsuits 0 #50 June 10, 2013 It's a good point. We did have a nasty flare gun injury so maybe the signs don't work....Summer Rental special, 5 weeks for the price of 4! That is $160 a month. Try before You Buy with Wicked Wingsuits - WingsuitRental.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
