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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy32skBSHs0 What. The. Hell???!!!!!?? _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

We know he's an idiot. We have also seen this last election cycle. Remember that? When he "had the most donations" for the Republican party? Don't confuse donation dollars* with popularity. *$200 and over donations counted only (remember this small print on all the donation sources? It means you can play with the actual donation numbers) _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

The thread title itself is wrong, buddy. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

He wasn't a "spy" in the definition of theater, but he was Military Intelligence. His job description involves using collected information to put together intel packages or collecting intel himself. This requirement demands some serious clearance levels and puts a wide reaching spread for "need to know" among many facets. It was easy for him because of this. Other MOS, NEC, ect. . . may not require as much need to know, but same level of clearance. For his accomplices, if they are civillian, I believe they have to show espionage to get any charges. I'm sure there are specific, accepted legal definitions of "spy", "espionage", etc. But I would think that a spy is someone who works for say, "A", and whose job it is to gather intelligence from "B". He can do this by directly stealing documents, files, etc. himself, or by intercepting communications, etc. This guy might be considered an honorable patriot by "A". Sometimes he can convince someone who has been placed in a position of trust by "B" to commit a treasonous act and steal the info for him. This second guy is considered a traitor by "B" and might be considered an untrustworthy POS by "A", too. They already know that his sworn allegiance is for sale. I don't believe espionage was an attempt here. Just an idiot whose "fight" was ill placed and intentions irresponsible and dangerous. He's definitely no John Walker, but his damage is costly diplomatically, financially and operationally. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

He wasn't a "spy" in the definition of theater, but he was Military Intelligence. His job description involves using collected information to put together intel packages or collecting intel himself. This requirement demands some serious clearance levels and puts a wide reaching spread for "need to know" among many facets. It was easy for him because of this. Other MOS, NEC, ect. . . may not require as much need to know, but same level of clearance. For his accomplices, if they are civillian, I believe they have to show espionage to get any charges. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

I seriously doubt that those who supports Manning's actions will be honorable enough to support him throughout his life sentence. It's easy to have opinions. Opinions are cheap. Being a Man/Woman, however, is backing it up with action and taking some risks. Anything less is just noise. Fanboy crap. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

You did. Post 158. And you quote: _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

This was the recording Manning lifted out of the JAG files. It was in the Military courts possession. The only thing I see that may be a cause for review was the attacking the van. Probably why it was in their files in the first place. Who told you the Apache pilots got off scott free? _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Sure I do - it's called historical fact. You know, things like the successful invasion at Normandy, etc etc etc. So you'd be willing to release the financials for the DZ, so we can see if you can actually afford to get insurance for your employees, right? Mike, This is not the first time I have heard of this challenge about TK and his operation. Even under Obama Care, he would not qualify to require paying health care (needs about 50 employess, not contractors(packers, as long as he isn't micromanaging their process), or pilots (if he own the planes, then they can be considered statutory employees) to subsidize. Did I miss a Moral or Legal debate? _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Now you are just acting out. Kind of embarrasing to read. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Oops. nevermind. . . I feel sheepish *Actually read what you and mnealx posted. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Neither. We can do this too. What the link is putting a spin on is something that is called a "carryover" by the company. Since the stocks were a serious loss, they sold them to the CEO's at a set price over a period, which is the same as a trade (sell) in which a loss is realized. Then the company is able to spread the total loss as a carryover till the loss total has been expended. Nothing here is a secret. In fact many companies are able to use their carryover from losses these past several years to lower their tax liability. This is just as common in the private sector. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

How do you know this? What sources are you relying on? The Media? And if you do, do you trust the media to portray anything right or without spin? The difference is there is no crime when a BP or other whistle-blower exposes corporate secrets. It's against Military law to expose any classified information without permission. Manning is being charged with a crime. Even in the Military courts, motive does not need to be established. There is no idealism prosecution on him except in the forums everywhere on the internet and media. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Definitely the shallowest part of the Gulf. Easy to use mooring mines (has been done). _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Thanks!

Not sure how the whole internet business works, but. . . How will this affect foreign servers here in the U.S? Are they able to actually/legally be able to block them? Is it easy to cease operation in the U. S. and move them overseas to avoid this? _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

umm, I don't know, maybe I'm just a citizen that wants government accountability and transparency and NOT some group of blind-faith, purple-koolaid-drinking drones letting them do whatever they want whenever they want....? Including the military. duh? We have that in place. It's just not done by you. This is not your arena. It's obvious. Just because you are a citizen doesn't mean you have the right to knowledge or oversight. Your rhetoric shows more purple koolaid dronism than what you accuse us of. You just don't know it. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

that's a strange request. You want proof of damage to what leaked classified material has caused. No common sense bells ringing here? Why would the Govt tell anyone about classified damage caused by leaked classified material? Why in the world would one think that any of this be unclassified. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Nope. No class warfare. Where are the opponents meeting? Mount Meggido? There has always been a division of class. Seems like every time the economy goes to shit, some people realize this. And, it seems when everything is going well, it's all forgotten. There should be a "Class-Warfare Consipracy Index": A measure of how bad the economy is doing by how much a subgroup realizes that there is a division between classes not previously noticed when they are employed. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Who told you that millionaires and billionairs are supposed to help poor people? Giving free help to those who will not advance on their own is enabling the poor's dependence. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Maybe it's not about her with another guy. Maybe it's about seeing her during sex in a third person view. Maybe a voyuer thing. Do you think it would be the same if you watched her masturbating "unknown of your presence" if it would satisfy the same for you? If this is the case, I wouldn't worry about it. If not this, a doc may be able to help you out. May not be what you fear. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Our differences aside, I wish you the best Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. May the next year provide you with more successes and accomplishments and happiness you deserve. I look forward to more discussions. Keep your self safe and content! Jerry. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Doesn't matter of he's in a prison cell now. He got his instant gratification then. And he is still getting now, regardless of his prison cell. There's no grasping at straws here. It's actually common that people who do this are short-sighted of their future. The only grasping at straws here is your belief that he did something for a greater cause when all evidence is against this notion. It's not revenge. It's called punishment. that's what happens when you commit a serious crime. . _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Nope. He sent out other stuff not relating to specific abuses also. If he really wanted to champion something. . . getting himself arrested, destroying his credibility, costing the taxpayers millions, and destroying the careers of servicemembers not involved with the "crimes" he was "exposing". . .definitely not the right way of going about doing things. He was only "championing" his own spoiled selfish bad attitude. he did what he could when he could how he could. what he did not do was do nothing... And this is where we differ. You believe he was trying to perform some sort of sacrifical whistle-blowing; my experience with these types is, they are in it for themselves and could care less with the "autrocities" being "exposed". They just want to throw a wrench in the gears because it's the only way they can be acccepted. Negative attention-getting. throwing a wrench in the gears gets you 'accepted' - i think not... Hmm. . .got accepted by the Wikileaks crowd. Got accepted by those who believe he's a do-right. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Nope. He sent out other stuff not relating to specific abuses also. If he really wanted to champion something. . . getting himself arrested, destroying his credibility, costing the taxpayers millions, and destroying the careers of servicemembers not involved with the "crimes" he was "exposing". . .definitely not the right way of going about doing things. He was only "championing" his own spoiled selfish bad attitude. he did what he could when he could how he could. what he did not do was do nothing... And this is where we differ. You believe he was trying to perform some sort of sacrifical whistle-blowing; my experience with these types is, they are in it for themselves and could care less with the "autrocities" being "exposed". They just want to throw a wrench in the gears because it's the only way they can be acccepted. Negative attention-getting. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln