BoogeyMan

We both have BTDT....... it's a shitty deal, like I posted way back. War gets nasty. I would loathe to be on a GCM for any troop. EDIT......... I didn't answer you full. My point is that did you ever walk up on three shredded, stinking blobs of what used to be human? Whether or not the blobs are friendly or enemy.... revulsion kicks in. That adds up in the dehumanization of the enemy. Yes, there are many, many other factors.

You are dead on point. However, we are not talking about troops who snap. That is too extreme an example for this post. Dehumanizing the enemy is easy. Fear, traumatic events. It sets in fast, too. I pose you, this. There you are again...... You just set off a claymore mine with your clacker, in the middle of the night and you have lain still for a few hours until the area gets light enough to see. Of course, when you can see, is when the shooting starts again, sometimes. There on the trail before you lies three men. Enemy soldiers in uniform and all that. Two have had their abdomens torn open and are very very dead. The third has had a leg traumatically severed below the knee. He also has multiple ball bearing holes in his abdomen, left side and his face. There is a huge puddle of blood there, and you can see that he's a dead man already. As you become visible, the fool makes a grab for his AK. You make the call............ Keep in mind, your criteria for a soldier and why they dehumanize the enemy. Yeah....... it's a shitty deal. Bad example, he is an enemy combatant who went for his weapon. He shows he is still in the fight and can be engaged. Matt We are talking about why soldiers dehumanize the enemy. Not if a shooting is righteous. Do you know the name Rommel. Not the WW2 guy? From '67.

In my four operational tours (TL, then SL, and then PSG) I stopped one kid from wanting a picture with a body. The rest of the time (about two and a third years total) the guys did as we had trained, we moved toward the enemy, make contact, assaulted through, consolidated, reorganized, and then moved on to the next OBJ. In the earlier years we tended to leave, after the search for usable intel, rather quickly too. In the later years, I moved the guys who happened to be in the contact to the perimeter and the QRF or follow on force handled the OBJ. We spent a little more time, but still moved out quickly. Matt I believe that's what posters were looking for. Thx.

You are dead on point. However, we are not talking about troops who snap. That is too extreme an example for this post. Dehumanizing the enemy is easy. Fear, traumatic events. It sets in fast, too. I pose you, this. There you are again...... You just set off a claymore mine with your clacker, in the middle of the night and you have lain still for a few hours until the area gets light enough to see. Of course, when you can see, is when the shooting starts again, sometimes. There on the trail before you lies three men. Enemy soldiers in uniform and all that. Two have had their abdomens torn open and are very very dead. The third has had a leg traumatically severed below the knee. He also has multiple ball bearing holes in his abdomen, left side and his face. There is a huge puddle of blood there, and you can see that he's a dead man already. As you become visible, the fool makes a grab for his AK. You make the call............ Keep in mind, your criteria for a soldier and why they dehumanize the enemy. Yeah....... it's a shitty deal.

But did you ever, after a fight, in your 21 years, stop anyone from this type of behavior? That's what posters are looking for. That this type of behavior is an aberration. In my case...... We didn't hang around after some shit went down. Too much noise, tends to attract too many people. EDIT....... The notices from DZ.com are coming thru very, very slowly. Dunno why.

It's very difficult to control people who have just been "nearly killed" in a fight. Emotions run super high. That's all I said..... I neither condone it or criticize it. I accept that it does happen on both sides. As I posted earlier wars get nasty.

It's very difficult to control people who have just been "nearly killed" in a fight. Emotions run super high. That's all I said..... I neither condone it or criticize it. I accept that it does happen on both sides. As I posted earlier wars get nasty.

Dood..... Please explain, or venture a guess how that would playout?

It's very difficult to control people who have just been "nearly killed" in a fight. Emotions run super high. Far higher than any skydive will ever produce. But place it in perspective..... A guy aims an AK at your chest, and pulls the trigger... He missed, or was empty. You, Marinus, then stitch him from his navel to his right shoulder. This ain't the fuckin' movies either. He's dead. You're alive. Try taking your own pulse and controlling yourself after some shit like that. It's not an easy thing to do. Then work through that scenario again and again day and night, awake or in your dreams for a year. Then again for two or three more deployments. See my point?

It affected this guy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Berg We're back to post #10.....! Vids are like tracer bullets. They work both ways.

they'll side with their own best interests - not poodle up to the fading us empire... GAWD ALMIGHTY..!! That's twice in one day you have been correct. The Chinese will side up with what is in their best interests. If you think that it will be with Iran, then I wish you the very best in what must be a very puzzling life.

Your absolutely right, war is very nasty. The last thing wee need to do when we are fighting a crazed enemy that has the majority of the support of the local population, is to have photos of us pissing on them. This video will not result in more of our troops coming home in the same condition they left in. What did the vast majority of the foreign insurgents say was their reason for coming to Iraq and fighting the Americans? hinkprogress.org/politics/2008/06/17/24842/mora-abu-ghraib-and-guantanamo-are-first-and-second-identifiable-causes-of-us-combat-deaths-in-iraq/?mobile=nc And...? When is a crazy person's excuse for finding piety valid? It's been explained to me, that the killing in Iraq had less to do with the US, than the differing factions competing for power in the country. As we see today, the killings continue unabated by much at all. I'm not an apologist for the Iraq or Afghanistan wars. But, since I have been to a war, I do dare to offer an opinion.

What do you think? With whom will the Chinese side? The US doesn't need any other Nation for anything, especially when the balloon goes up.

Ya think? Karasik gets today's "Captain Obvioius" award. No wonder I couldn't find them things in at Best Buy. Jeez. which implies a us/israel assassination... You finally got something right......... which implies the war has already begun... Where have you been, Sherlock? I acceded/posted that headline weeks ago. Since I'm not an official spokesperson for either government, you'll have to wait for the formal Declaration. Probably not too far off in the future. My advice to Iranians still holds. Head north or east. Get behind a mountain range, and dig in. EDIT: In answer to an EM. The deeper the cave, the better. my advice is to stock up on oil. and the chinese won't be too happy to lend you more money just to waste on fancy fireworks... I say that the Chinese will be right there waiting to jump on any part of Iran they can get their hands on. You misjudge the Chinese. Research Chinese Politburo, and educate yourself. As far as oil..... Let the US worry about it's reserves. If need be, I have zero doubt that the US would mop the floor with Hugo Chavez if oil became reaaaaaaallllyyyyy scarce. Have you ever actually looked at a map in a strategic/tactical manner? The answers are right in front of your nose. so you're gambling on chinese approval... (and that the war will go well - just like vietnam and afghanistan) What do you think? With whom will the Chinese side? The US doesn't need any other Nation for anything, especially when the balloon goes up.

Grow some hair on your balls, people..... War usually tends to get very nasty. There are loads of vids of the Taliban beheading people. Does that bump up ANA recruiting? Somebody, I'm sure can pull up pix of dead German civilians melted in to the streets of Dresden. Then someone else will post a pic of bodies at a SS camp. Then another..... Wars get B-A-D.

Your call....... Admitting to making a mistake on SC is almost unheard of. I think you're being a bit tough on yourself.

Ya think? Karasik gets today's "Captain Obvioius" award. No wonder I couldn't find them things in at Best Buy. Jeez. which implies a us/israel assassination... You finally got something right......... which implies the war has already begun... Where have you been, Sherlock? I acceded/posted that headline weeks ago. Since I'm not an official spokesperson for either government, you'll have to wait for the formal Declaration. Probably not too far off in the future. My advice to Iranians still holds. Head north or east. Get behind a mountain range, and dig in. EDIT: In answer to an EM. The deeper the cave, the better. my advice is to stock up on oil. and the chinese won't be too happy to lend you more money just to waste on fancy fireworks... I say that the Chinese will be right there waiting to jump on any part of Iran they can get their hands on. You misjudge the Chinese. Research Chinese Politburo, and educate yourself. As far as oil..... Let the US worry about it's reserves. If need be, I have zero doubt that the US would mop the floor with Hugo Chavez if oil became reaaaaaaallllyyyyy scarce. Have you ever actually looked at a map in a strategic/tactical manner? The answers are right in front of your nose.

Ya think? Karasik gets today's "Captain Obvioius" award. No wonder I couldn't find them things in at Best Buy. Jeez. Actually, component wise you..... Uh....... Never mind.

Ya think? Karasik gets today's "Captain Obvioius" award. No wonder I couldn't find them things in at Best Buy. Jeez. which implies a us/israel assassination... You finally got something right......... which implies the war has already begun... Where have you been, Sherlock? I acceded/posted that headline weeks ago. Since I'm not an official spokesperson for either government, you'll have to wait for the formal Declaration. Probably not too far off in the future. My advice to Iranians still holds. Head north or east. Get behind a mountain range, and dig in. EDIT: In answer to an EM. The deeper the cave, the better.

Better........ You said you made a mistake and took responsibility. That's what real men do. No need to spin. You did the right thing. And I honor that.

"..... nice people you have there..." is a shot? I might not even be American, for all you actually know. OK..... I'm kool if you are. Apology accepted. Glad to see someone "Man up".

Ya think? Karasik gets today's "Captain Obvioius" award. No wonder I couldn't find them things in at Best Buy. Jeez. which implies a us/israel assassination... You finally got something right.........

Who is Walter?

After the Semper Pee video: http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/us-marines-urinate-on-corpses-video-claim/story-e6frfkp9-1226242360095 I'm sure I've less trouble to figure it out. I'm not sure what you're referring too, but I expect it's more of the "But we liberated you" stuff. That's getting really old, in case of Nijmegen: 67 years, 3 months and 22 days old. It's a simple statement. I wasn't even born 67 years ago, much less liberated anything. Why are you trying to be argumentative?

Theodore Karasik, a security expert at the Dubai-based Institute for Near East and Gulf Military Analysis told Associated Press. He said the use of magnetic bombs bore the hallmarks of covert operations. "It's a very common way to eliminate someone," he added. "It's clean, easy and efficient." Bullschidt...! These type devices require sophisticated gizmo's to protect the operator, and avoid premature detonation when armed. Very dangerous in urban environments to use. Suicide vests for bombers who self detonate are easily built.