BoogeyMan

No, I would not be quiet, I'd be smart enough to "walk a mile in their shoes" before declaring that they were wrong, WHICH I HAVE. Even though I have already posted that I would loath to sit on a GCM for these guys. But in doing so, I agree that they SHOULD BE CHARGED AND CM-ED. As for the tone of the posts, I believe that there is ample reason to say America bashing is very much an element of the debate.

No it isn't. No, I didn't. Nice diversion though. Who said it was you..? Wow....! Somebody locate Dr. Kallend. We have a person possibly in need of his vast, and varied services.

Gotta disagree with you. It is about America bashing. Again.... No one has of yet defended the jarheads. It's unanimous in that they were wrong. Again..... I simply say, I understand how it can happen. No defense of the act at all. And, guess what....? It will happen again. "They get pretty fucking slim after that, as far as I can see at the moment. " Very unbecoming.

( chuckle)Well, which is it? "...some of you guys.." ".. you really need..." You are a prof of Eng. and also a Shrink? Wow.! and I do mean, WOW.......! And this from a man that likes planes that have their tail on backwards.

I agree with that. And indeed there is a Code of Conduct, and the UCMJ that all service persons are aware of. I have not yet, anywhere in this thread stated that I condone the conduct of those jarheads. I have repeatedly said that I understand how it can happen. Nothing more. In earlier posts this point has been repeatedly stated. However, for a sad variety of loser reasons, the anti's here continue to purposefully "not get it". Has any poster here yet tasked the Taliban about beheading civilians? Not one. It's simply about America bashing. Nothing more. One poster on this thread was "joking" about the Nazi's massacring Greeks in another thread yesterday.

I think many of the little boys we have here on DZ.COM need to MAN UP. You don't have to like it...it's war, you just need to learn to deal with it. As an AMERICAN I stand with these men, maybe a moment in the corner, and a slap on the wrist with some sensitivity training. Other than that, get the hell out of the way and let these MEN, do what they are trained to do, kill the enemy and if blowing off some steam is required so be it. As for the camera man, a ass kicking for being an idiot for filming it. Too many REMF's here who have possibly been a few places, but have never actually done anything of importance for anyone else. I would wager than if any of these little boys ever smelled or saw a real freshly killed enemy they would invert themselves puking like little girls.

Wow..... You're really upset. ANA is Afghan National Army. I know that you and Christelsabine are all squeezy,. See yourself as some sort of Knight in all shiny armor, do you? So I'll ignore you from here on.

"I believe Binyam Mohamed was actually only a British resident at the time of his rendition and torture. Not that it changes the horror of the thing, but it does make for important distinctions as to the geopolitical importance of the story." An Ethiopian, arrested in Pakistan, held there for 18 months, then "reditioned" to Morocco for two years...... "British intelligence agents "provided information to the US authorities about Mohamed and supplied questions for the US authorities to put to Mohamed while he was being detained." "there was "insufficient evidence" to bring criminal charges against any British intelligence officer." Sounds like this Binyam Mohamed is a very lucky person.

Simple... You fire up the murderer. Think outside the rule book. It works for Captain Kirk.

Arabs do what again? cut off more heads, drag more bodies through the street? burn them? hang them from a bridge? murder innocent civilans, intentionally? shot a kid in the back of the head and try to blame the US for collateral dammage? if you honestly think pissing on a corpse is in the same league, you sir have some issues. Been trying to explain it all day to these REMF's. Some of the same folks, too. No, it is not accepted policy. Yes, It happens. Yes, it will happen again. Yes, I will vote for acquittal at the GCM.

I figured as much......gotcha......! Read your own post.

Let's see The second line of the Dutch (that looks similar to, I don't know, the word Deutsch, isn't it?) national anthem: Ben ik van Duitsen bloed literally : I'm of German blood. Furthermore we imported much of our Royal Family from Germany, including the Founding Father of the Netherlands. It's not that love you, it's more that we're like creepy stalkers that pretend to be you. Oh and my first moped, was of course a Puch. This is interesting.... I made mention of a dutch town. Marinus went off as about how "old" that was. Yet here we are with both Marinus and Christelsabine practically rehashing WW2, going off about stolen bikes with wooden wheels, Greek gold, mass executions, how the old folks are "butt hurt", and everyone hates Germans, about the war and so forth. If either of you have a point to debate at the very least be honest. Trying to ambush has failed for both of you. You both are clearly out of your league.

I know, my cunning plan needs some work... Actually it's usually: Halt die Klappe und gib mich meinem Fahrrad zurück (spelling/grammatics?) or in Dutch: Hou je bek en geef me mijn fiets terug (Shut your mouth, and give me my bicycle back) Granddad is optional But how the hell, did you know that one? that's indeed a rather classic statement but not widely known outside of NL, (me thinks). Or it was, anti-German sentiment has subsided for the most part, I think, but then again I'm living close to the German border so that could make a difference. Let me help you out, Kaaskopp: "Halt die Klappe und gib mir mein Fahrrad zurück!" Just admit that you love us. Like most of you flatlanders on bromfiets do ...... This is interesting.... I made mention of a dutch town. Marinus went off as about how "old" that was. Yet here we are with both Marinus and Christelsabine practically rehashing WW2, going off about stolen bikes with wooden wheels, Greek gold, mass executions, how the old folks are "butt hurt", and everyone hates Germans, about the war and so forth. If either of you have a point to debate at the very least be honest. Trying to ambush has failed for both of you. You both are clearly out of your league.

Couldn't find a single instance of this happening to a police officer. Not saying it never has but it's likely pretty rare. Most police officer shootings you referenced from Google were due to a struggle while trying to arrest a suspect. I'll be sure not to try and arrest anyone. It happened here in Miami years ago. The shooter was never found. As I said, I'm not saying it's never happened, just that it's very rare. I'm equally as sure that it's pretty rare that a criminal sneaks up behind someone who is OC, steals their gun, and then shoots and robs them. Way to many easier targets. Oh yeah, for sure.... There are a great many easier targets out there. Interestingly, last week a semi paralyzed victim fired up an attacker....with a CC weapon. So ya just never know.

Couldn't find a single instance of this happening to a police officer. Not saying it never has but it's likely pretty rare. Most police officer shootings you referenced from Google were due to a struggle while trying to arrest a suspect. I'll be sure not to try and arrest anyone. It happened here in Miami years ago. The shooter was never found.

Holy Cow When was your last meeting with your local psychiatrist to cope with stress? You sound like you're under continuous fire Schatzi.........! Wie gehts. ( please excuse my grammar and spelling) My stress......?? I'm kool as an ice cube in Alaska, yesterday. How do you gather that I'm stressed? Are you a Shrink? Oh Dear....... Are you taking my posts as real events in my life? Schatzi........ Was Gher right about what he said about you and I the other day? No, it was just a back handed insult. To answer your question, yes I have walked up on numerous bodies, mostly I felt pity, for some I wondered why they even tried, and others I was pissed at. I never abused them though, and I didn't allow my men too either. Matt Excellent.... I'm sure that between the posts of Law and yourself, that others will get the idea that US troops are not running wild everywhere. As far as Schatzi..... If it was a backwards whatever... it didn't work. I prefer to believe that she's got the hots for me. Why else would she bother? I don't know her at all. Perhaps an internet virtual crush of sorts. Kool, huh?

Not really; just the 30-day provision in the state constitution. That's all they need. Aside from that, though, it does seem that as long as that provision is complied with (where applicable), the governor's pardon power is pretty absolute. So, it's the notice provision? HAH...! Thx. EDIT......... "........but no pardon shall be granted before conviction; and in cases of felony, after conviction no pardon shall be granted until the applicant therefor shall have published for thirty days, in some newspaper in the county where the crime was committed, and in case there be no newspaper published in said county, then in an adjoining county, his petition for pardon, setting forth therein the reasons why such pardon should be granted.?

SECTION 124. In all criminal and penal cases, excepting those of treason and impeachment, the governor shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons, to remit fines, and in cases of forfeiture, to stay the collection until the end of the next session of the legislature, and by and with the consent of the senate to remit forfeitures. In cases of treason he shall have power to grant reprieves, and by and with consent of the senate, but may respite the sentence until the end of the next session of the legislature; but no pardon shall be granted before conviction; and in cases of felony, after conviction no pardon shall be granted until the applicant therefor shall have published for thirty days, in some newspaper in the county where the crime was committed, and in case there be no newspaper published in said county, then in an adjoining county, his petition for pardon, setting forth therein the reasons why such pardon should be granted. SOURCES: 1832 art V §10; 1869 art V §10.

You have to remember that the bonds China has purchased do not have their name on them. The US cannot default on some bonds without defaulting on all of them. Otherwise the Ohio Teachers' pension fund would find that some of their bonds are the ones that the treasury has decided not to honour. This is simply not a credible threat. Of course not. That China would side with Iran against the US is also not credible. I have faith that the crooks in the US Treasury are as skilled as the crooks in China or anywhere else. They could make it work, I'll wager.

Holy Cow When was your last meeting with your local psychiatrist to cope with stress? You sound like you're under continuous fire Schatzi.........! Wie gehts. ( please excuse my grammar and spelling) My stress......?? I'm kool as an ice cube in Alaska, yesterday. How do you gather that I'm stressed? Are you a Shrink? Oh Dear....... Are you taking my posts as real events in my life? Schatzi........ Was Gher right about what he said about you and I the other day?

Do you know anything else about it? MS has the Big Boss type of Governor. There might be/must be some other factor that the Judge or a DA has going.

A MS Judge has stayed HB's pardons. There seems to be a Constitutional issue.

There is an equilibrium...... After you gun down them both, things should smooth out and you may then decide who you were more upset with.

Dood..... Please explain, or venture a guess how that would playout? #2.

Very unlikely....... That's what DD is missing. The Chinese would indeed, under the table and back door to back door sell weapons to anyone. But the Chinese would not in their right minds jeopardize their cash flow from the US for the Iranians. What would the Chinese do if the US simply said..... We ain't paying you guys. Attack the US? Not in this universe.