Bruno

In europe you see a lot of PDF rigs, so reverse risers are common. I made some tests in a suspended harness overcharging at 3 G. the pull force was horribly hi, also on 5 different risers, doing identical test, the pull force was very different, meanings that the risers (all from PDF) aren't built in a standard way. I removed reverse risers and throw them away. Bruno

What is sure is YOU CAN'T JUMP THAT RIG!! Money come back again, life not! Bruno

The secret is: On exit do not think about ripcord, but TO ARCH!!! Then for the ripcord maintaining arch, it doesn't matter if the s/l is pulling, you don't have to pull the ripcord before s/l open your container. FIRST ARCH THEN RIP. Bruno

Don't worry hi will follow the suggestions of the best instructor in this world: the "HOSPITAL" Bruno

lesson in this thread: before competing Before join a 4 way team before doing RW bigger than 2 way, there is a lot to learn, in safety and technique. Don't be in hurry for hot skydive, till your skill and safety knowledge are at the right level. Bruno

I agree with Erno The girl made a terrible mistake, no one must be UNDER the formation, is the place where a videoman deploys his main in a 4-way FS, all others must track away from the center at break off altitude. One question: Way the videoman didn't see the person straight below him? Bruno

ohps... error Not the left side but the other, the one with the hand free for opening. sorry Bruno

coho21 if you want save money, get a coach and start a 2way RW program with him. after few jumps you'll find very easy do 2way with your friend. Bruno

Chivo are you sure to have the right experience in RW for that jump? the flag that you are planning to use is too big. Tray with a smaller one. Make a 2-way linked exit, the most experienced hold the flag folded in one hand, the other make a grip on that hand and fly parallel, wait for the video to position in front of you then the second change the grip on one of the flag's handle, rlelease the flag, plan a hi breakoff, the video track away, the man in the left side deploy while the other hold the flag till the opening starts then release the flag ( to avoid interference) and track away. Are you sure? 50 jump experience is not enough. Bruno

Mark You are right but, with a PC in no wind condition is better to use toggle to land, not like a square, timing is more critical for a soft landing. You can also stall a PC. Forward speed is no comparable to a square (5 to 7 m/s) and vetical speed is very low, compared to a square in full flight so in windy condition you don't need to use toggle because you don't need to slow down vertical (is slow enough) or forward speed (wind do it). Accuracy with PC where made only downwind (horrible to see). Bruno

Erno Not only for the holes (also really rounds have holes for steering and little speed), the apex of Para Commander, papillon, UT-15, olympic etc. (in Italy we call them "calotte rientranti"), is pulled down by a rope running from the apex to the risers, this give the canopy a particular shape to generate a small amount of lift, not like a square but some (typically 2/3rd drag 1/3rd lift). In Italy till '85 you must have at least 30 jump with a "calotta rientrante" canopy before cleared to use a square. Bruno

Mark Para Commander is not exactly a round canopy. A round slow down de descent speed only by air drag The Para Commander slow down by drag and lift. It also has a valuable forward speed (compared with a round) that you must stop for landing. So the correct technique for landing is to pull down both toggle, or rear riser, similar to square. Bruno

Fudd In Norway is it legal to jump through clouds?? In Italy is forbidden, most of the jump planes in use are only VFR, so they can't fly without ground visual contact, many DZ do it (illegally). We write a lot of laws but we normally don't follow them (Italian style of life). In my area (Sardinia island) clouds are rare, I personally never go on a load over the clouds Bruno

Try this site http://www.paragear.com go to harness then relative workshop then vector 3 micron. Keep in mind RWS , i think they build the best and more safe rig. Bruno

Grega never thought on RWS's rig? I suggest You to try a micron. Bruno

Quote***Remember 90% of reserve ride for openings mals is with pull out systems.*** ...but it also may be that somewhere around 90 percent of rigs have pullouts vs. puds. It's amazing how you can make numbers say anything *** Dave I don't know in USA, but in Europe Throw-out is the most common system. Sangiro could place a poll on that subject. Bruno

I have used it towards the end of 80's for some tens of jumps. The openings were horrible (for one square canopy 9 cell F-111) even if not violent. After some modifications to the lines, suggested from the manufactures, I have thrown it away. Bruno

Ok! Ok! you all are right. there are cases your container needs washing process, contact with some damaging elements. My post was for people that wash just for nice appearance. Bruno

Unless you have to go to a party wearing your rig or sell It, you don't need to wash it. Simply keep it clean with a brush and take care of metallic parts, first of all cables and housing. Bruno

The big pro in throw out is that you can place the PC in clean air stream. With pull out, you open the main container and immediately release the pc, very close to your turbulence (imagine the situation if you are wearing a big or video wing suit ). the big con in pull out is that you can easily lose the handle, resulting in a total mal Remember 90% of reserve ride for openings mals is with pull out systems. Use correct PC and correct packing and you NEVER find your self in pc in tow mal with throw out. Bruno

Can someone explain me how the toggles are connected on the control lines in this canopy [http://www.skydivecenter.com/staff/charlie/charlie1.jpg] ?. Sorry but in my area we don't see many different canopy/rig Bruno

flyhy way do you want to damage a good canopy? cutaway that's all!! pick up your main reassemble it and is ready for next jump Bruno

OK rainman understood I absolutely agree Bruno

-...a round will ALWAYS turn and run with the wind.. freefli29 Can you explain why??? BrunoQuote

scratch I had similar problem with my sabre 150, the problem was in the pilot chute not correctly made. After replacing the PC everything is ok. Thank to Bill Booth, his posts helped me a lot. Bruno