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Yo ! This discussion has come a full circle. You are as stubborn as those poor Muslims with their Prophet cartoons - which was the original point of the thread. Thus, end of discussion. bsbd! Yuri.

Absolutely not. I feel you are totally out of the line here, replacing logic with emotions. Americans kill others. Video is posted. Others kill americans. A request for video is posted. No remarks about servicemembers are made, none. The rest is your warped imagination. But now that you brought it up: what makes you believe it is ok to discuss US servicemembers killing other people, and a sacrilege to mention other people killing US servicemembers? A little Nazi concept of subhumans and elite race ??? bsbd! Yuri.

The funniest thing about this thread is that no such comments have actually been made. Somebody has a warped imagination here bsbd! Yuri.

What you are trying to do (stand by your friends whether they are right or wrong) could be an honorable thing. Unfortunately you do it in a barbaric, unintelligent and anti-American way that negates any of your good intentions. This is what Constitution says. If you do not believe in it you are not worth being a citizen. A wonderful piece of blabbery. If you live in this country, please learn some English Try to break the law and go against Constitution, and you will find yourself shot, jailed and laughed at in the next gun thread. bsbd! Yuri.

Oh, those friday night drinks...

Yo! A peculiar coincidence has occured in the last few days. Muslims all over the world staged violent protests over a few Prophet Muhammad cartoons. They failed to see the message and sarcasm of the cartoons, and considered them blasphemy. Many muslims have been known to dance on the streets celebrating 9/11 and post videos of americans being beheaded. Naturally, this is very barbaric. Many american guests of this forum have protested violently over a sarcastic suggestion of posting a video of US choppers being shot down. The same guests have been known to post videos of US choppers shredding human beings to bits, and hooraying over it. Unexpectedly, this is very barbaric. It is quite sad to find equally blind fanatics on both sides of the fence. As an interesting side note, many ex US Army guys have lowered themselves to a primitive level offering "ass kicking". One could guess that it goes with the trade, especially when blinded by emotions and unable to see through them. Ass kicking could be a viable protest option in Russia (if you have the right conections) but in this country (US, that is) violence is reserved for the dumbest of human beings. Aside from going against every principal and law the country was founded upon, it will inevitably turn an offender into a concealed carry victim (a fine example for gun threads in this forum) and, surviving that, land him behind bars. Quite an irony, as most such unfortunates would be gun nuts supporting the toughest crime laws. Finally, assumption is a mother of all fuckups. Before you reply and make a fool of yourself, breath deeply and digest a few facts: Russia has suffered from muslim extremists quite a bit more than US did. There is no love for fanatics over there. I personally hate fanatics. Sitting half a mile from White House target keeps those feelings fresh. First 9/11 planes destroyed the objects i have dreamed to jump. 3rd impacted 2 miles away from me, and i was within shrapnel radius of the likely 4th target. However i believe that US actions in Iraq are increasing the risks to me personally and to the world as a whole, aside from being evil on a basic human level of killing tens thousands "for their own good". Like i said, i hate fanatics - on both sides. Big politics are dry, practical and immoral. The whole Middle Eastern affair is a global battle for limited resources between US, Russia, Europe, China etc. You deal with people you hate and you kill those you like, as needed. Any fresh kid playing a strategy game will know it. Unfortunately there are few fresh kids left. US is going for oil, whatever it takes, and so do other countries. Major PR effort is required to substitute this unpleasant truth with sweet lies acceptable to the general public. Brainwashing is alive and well in US. Watching the USSR propaganda machine desintegrate first hand, i was amazed to see it alive and working well, word by word, in US. It has intensified in the last few years. A majority of population, unable to get a fresh look from outside, succumb to the spoon-fed emotional information, instead of digging for facts and using dry logic. This is very obvious for anybody outside of US, but about 50% of the local population remains happily oblivious to rather simple facts of life. Oh, and regarding the guest remarks... just do not assume. I will be peacefully voting current nuts out of the office in the next elections, just like Founding Fathers intended. bsbd! Yuri.

Indeed, quite repulsive... yet plenty of people here seem to post and savor gunsight videos. You can either enjoy them all or refrain from posting any. bsbd! Yuri.

How absolutely tiny? Is that relative to an infamous "fat american" scale or what? Just curious who are you talking about... I kinda agree with this observation, for the following reason: Maxing out and holding a current high-perfomance suit in a perfect position for a long time takes a huge muscle effort. Most people notice a significant degradation of perfomance after about a minute. It is harder for tall and skinny people to hold the position. They do have a better body to fly, but smaller people can make up for it by better muscle endurance. I begin to believe that more perfomance gains at this point are to come from physical body strengthening, as opposed to better suits. There are already some examples where on long (2min range) flights a pilot gets an equal (or even better) overall distance in an intermediate suit, compared to an advanced one, because of fatigue issues at the end of the flight. bsbd! Yuri.

Americans do a hi-tech internet dance: see the first post of this thread. Both are equally barbaric. bsbd! Yuri.

You gloat over the video of people being killed, yet you don't want to see more video of people being killed? Dude, you're seriously twisted

Aha, so you're starting to get it... just take one more step and consider feelings of others, who may not be american servicemen. What makes it ok to post videos of people being killed, and not ok to post videos of their killers being killed? Twisted pride? This is not a US Army forum. bsbd! Yuri.

Yeah, that'd be awesome! Same chopper camera as in the original posting, all the way to the ground. bsbd! Yuri.

3 choppers shut down in Iraq so far this year. Post the videos! It looks so cool when a chopper's coming down. bsbd! Yuri.

To keep it realistic: Current max wingsuit glide is about 2.5. Vertical speeds are indeed 30..40mph. Max glide without a wingsuit is just over 1, and it takes 8+ sec to get flying. bsbd! Yuri.

You need some visual feedback to see how well you are doing. Clouds really help, but the best out there is a big mountain. Watch "Superterminal" to see the best trackers in action, it will recalibrate your visual scale. While you're looking for that DVD, same guys are here (footage that didn't make the main movie): http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=3116&string=virtus Glide ratio in a good track these days is over 1. bsbd! Yuri.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/01/30/tower.basejump.ap/index.html MEXICO CITY, Mexico (AP) -- An Austrian stuntman who claims world records for BASE jumping parachuted off the top of Latin America's tallest building Monday before escaping in an SUV to avoid police capture. Felix Baumgartner, 36, launched himself off the 225-meter (738-foot) Torre Mayor on Mexico City's main Reforma Avenue, starting with a free fall and then floating downward under an opened parachute as about 200 curious onlookers gathered below. Baumgartner spoke briefly with the news media before jumping into a Hummer driven by friends and speeding away. The extreme-sports enthusiast apparently had not obtained a permit for his jump, and local authorities tried unsuccessfully to detain him on charges of putting the public and himself in danger. On his Web site, Baumgartner claims to have jumped off the world's highest building in 1999, the 1,479-foot (450-meter) Petronas Twin Towers in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia; and to have made the lowest BASE jump, from the 29-meter (95-foot) Christ statue in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, also in 1999. BASE is an acronym for Building, Antenna, Span, Earth, the fixed objects from which parachutists make their BASE jumps. Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. bsbd! Yuri.

"Good enough" is industry standard bsbd! Yuri.

I will correct your English if you don't mind: its hard to be fatter than Tom. bsbd! Yuri.

Yo! Shane, you're usually funny as shit - but this one was uncool. Really. bsbd! Yuri.

Yo! The Courier is airing now on CBS. Four very familiar faces Check out the web site: http://www.cbs.com/primetime/courier/ bsbd! Yuri.

You are soooo right! Try to look up Pascal Gisler for example (this won't be easy...). There are plenty of truly amazing flights happening without most people, "base" or "skydivers" or "elite" or whatnot, having any idea. bsbd! Yuri.

More cases to consider (two tower fatalities in US): #1: dealt with by the pact (anonymous call to authorities, video tape removed). Police has opened a homicide investigation and tracked other jumpers down the next day. Jumpers were threatened but did not get charged. The tape had to be turned over to police, became public domain and was shown on TV all over the country. #2: jumpers stayed with the body. Not charged, as no law was broken in front of police. The outcomes of both cases were pretty similar. #2 got resolved quicker. I had to deal with two cliff fatalities and coordinated S&R with police before. However those happened at legal sites in a civilized country. From a pure technical point of view, once an emergency call is made and all relevant information is passed on to authorities, you are not very useful. After all necessary steps are done, i would not blame those who choose to leave. As an example, in USA, anybody who is not a citizen cannot afford to be even charged with a crime - you are screwed even if it never goes to court or is dismissed. Many other situations exist where staying will bring more harm then good. If you think you can help the living by staying with a body, please do so. If not, do not ruin another life. There is no easy answer - it will always be a hard choice. Whatever you do, please use common sense. bsbd! Yuri.

This is indeed a very interesting discussion. Let's leave morals aside (as they don't exist in politics) and look at the big picture. We agree that Israel is developing long-range delivery mechanism, a few years sooner or later is not really important. The real question is: Why do you think Israel has been allowed to do so? It would be too easy to eliminate this threat a few years ago, and even easier in the Soviet Union times. An obvious first guess is that USA has offered a nuclear umbrella behind the scenes. However, a nuclear attack by Israel on Russia would very likely trigger an automatic retaliation against USA, and subsequent global annihilation. It could as well be an attack on US with retaliation against Russia - either country has a second strike capability. Israel does not have one, and could be wiped out by either Russia or US with a first strike, if they perceived it as a serious threat to their own existence. In fact, if a global nuclear war was at stake, Israel would not exist today - no matter what the cost could be at the time. Why would either country permit such a dangerous trigger for a global war to exist, when it was so easy to eliminate? We are not uncovering anything new here, and analysts in many countries argued over these matters for the last 40 years. Still, Israel exists and is allowed to build its nuclear forces. The only possible explanation is that it does not target or threaten directly either Russia or USA. Can you come to a different conclusion based on the same facts? bsbd! Yuri.

That's pretty far from operational missiles on hair-trigger alert. Likely to stay that way: careless targeting of a nuklear superpower would be a suicide. It is too easy to completely eliminate such a threat (and the whole country for that matter) as a preventive measure. Israel would have to build a reliable second strike capability for your theory to hold any weight. It probably will posess a very limited retaliatory ability soon to deter Iran-sized threats with a couple of small subs at sea. However only good behavior saves Israel from elimination by two biggest nuclear powers. But anyway it's a pointless argument. About 20% of Israel today is russian-speaking. This number is even higher in IDF. Sending a warhead to Moscow if attacked by Iran is a fantasy that's only fit for this forum bsbd! Yuri.

Based on publicly available information, Israel has not yet deployed missiles of that range and capability - but is actively working on it. What's really important here is its nuclear policy. If what you say is correct, Israel moves into the rogue states league aka Axis Of Evil and will be treated as such. If Russian intelligence agrees with your analysis, you can expect a preemptive nuclear strike any day now Targeting third countries would endanger Israel more that it would contribute to its safety. It is a small country. If perceived as a rogue nuclear threat by giants like Russia or US, it would still be possible to contain it for a while. However, if Israel advances to the point where reliable containment is impossible, it will have to be destroyed. Israel applies similar logic towards Iran. This is a pre-emptive strike millenium. Let's see where it will lead. bsbd! Yuri.