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The title says it all, i have seen the recomended top weight on canopys and was wondering if a 2005 pilot 188, had any limits on weight. Thanks for your help..

Well that makes one of you.. how about the rest!! It CAN be a dangerous sport, and bad stuff CAN happen. It does not mean it will, if he is careful. (pulling higher, having a bigger reserve, taking a course, jumping in sensible winds, checking out spots b4 jumping (and then telling the pilot to go around , rather him than me) He will reduce his chances of injury, which is the one thing we all can agree on>(no funnys) Everyone in this sport takes risks, purley by participating in it, Jumping in winds which are to high, jumping with a rig which is 20 years old, not jumping with a cypress, not having a ditter, jumping with people not expericanced enough to be involved in your fs or 4 way, not wearing a crash helmet????(which i find more dangerous than 1.3 @ 160) or even just spiraling down infront of me on my final as happened 3 weeks ago 4 times whilst state side. "Idiots". i would continue............. however the sun has come out.. i'm off jumping, i'll leave this disscussion to you dedicated sport parachutists.

YEAH DUDE! Still alive and well. I probably lost a lot of people money for all the times they bet that I would die before my 16th b-day. Well here I'm 17 and knock on wood no skydiving/base jumping injuries (1000 skydives/ 100 base jumps). You think this guys progression is bad check out mine HERE Seen more radical stuff at a petting zoo Seriously though when we going to go jumping I'll Learn you a think or to. Might even get you on somthing that'll have your bollocks in your mouth

I agree..... Pretty much with everything you said. Dropzone.com forums do seem to get more then its fair share of doom mongers. Scott millers course does rock, as does a good crw course, makes you appriciate your canopy a bit more!! Good sound advice packerboy!! The good advice normally comes from people who have bothered to attend canopy courses. How many of you Doom mongers have been on one i wonder? or maybe you to busy taking tandem students

Quoteactually you are the person with a one-dimensional argument here Quote One dimensional argument, surley by me putting more than one point across makes that 2 dimensional "wikipedia" is our friend QuoteWhereas skill is important in this 'sport' and certainly the minimum requirements of X jump numbers before you progress to some activities, does not mean that everyone with those numbers will be ready! Quote Though you could have good or bad judgement as a person, will you still take somone up with the right numbers? despite them spiraling in on a flight line 1 week earlier unbeknown to yourself. but i understand your point, a combination is needed of everything we have disscussed, be it skills, judgment, abilility, ( jump numbers not so much) QuoteI hope you fix this way of thinking before you act on your stated interest in basejumping....Quote Only becasue i can tell you love me a little and worry. I have already acted on my intrest for base jumping, 2 canopy courses, 2 crw courses, 2 packing courses, ground crewing for other b jumpers to gain knowledge on all aspects. I thought it might be a good start

Theres at least 6 people i would die just to jump with on this thread. Virgin burner you are funny, and for that i have a sticker 4 you, rock on my man, its nice to see some other progressive newbies apart from me. the instructor who took you out- shocking yet funny The guy who has been jumping for 15 years and took out a 53 jump student - if they got the skills to pay the bills... rock out with your cock out. The guys with imaginary wingsuit coaching ratings - opps! The guy who flames everyone - shame on you. And just to finish with, and to make sure the flaming of noobs continues.. This sport is about progressing at your own pace, not at others, i'm sorry if it took some of you 1000's of jumps b4 you got your wings, but for some of us we took this sport up to push the envolope in our lives, thats just the way it is. and FTR when i break myself i don't want or need you to remind me of what i said... I for one happen to like nurses and the NHS and the time off work.... I love you all, regardless of what you say about me behind my back.

You are thinking in a very one dimensional way still. The disscusion is not just about people who could have the skills to jump with wingsuits at low jump numbers, its about the people who do have the numbers but don't have the skills to do so yet are allowed to jump. be it on high p canopys wing suits or with cameras At your jump numbers i would have though you would be able to see and recognise that side of the discussion!!! The basic idea of progression in skydiving i understand. but the all important skill factor is missed out at so many different levels in this Jump # related sport unless you are willing to invest money on A-class training.

You're on this planet for more then 1 day...try and use that time you have in a sensible way, and take the time to properly learn and experience things instead of rushing through them... Life Ain't No Dress Rehearsal.. could get hit by a bus, or by some crazy guy in a wingsuit!!

I'm lovin it.... that is why there are so many fat americans.... more on junk food then education.... says it all!!!! I am curious as to why these food prosessing places are ok to continue hiring iliegal immigrants.. corupttion

There is already a lot of discussion about jump numbers and WS, but I think that there is a new factor that deserves to be heard. The Tony Intro suit allows a faster path into wingsuits because of it's revolutionary design. I have no problem waiting to fly a more advanced suit, and do not argue with the 200 jump number for them, at least for myself. I will try and make my case with one picture. I have attached one that is me recovering from a flat spin. I did not have to release anything, I just did it. By closing the leg and putting out my hands, the suit became something other than a wingsuit. Once I got it together, I went back to flying. I was a taking a chance when I made my first flights, however, if you haven't ever done it, you will be too, and I don't care how many jumps you have. The only way to learn to fly is to jump out and do it, hopefully learning what you need to before it gets you. If you have thousands of jumps you may be a good pilot right away, or you may have a harder time than I did. If you are wearing the wrong suit, and haven't properly trained for the WS, you will be more of a hazard than I was. I am the first to admit that I have a lot to learn. My landings are still not always great, for example, but what does that have to do with WS? I need a lot of landings; I will get them after wing flights. All that is required of that portion of the dive is not hitting anything, and making a good pull. After that, it is no different than any other skydive. Again I will note that this suit allows me to reach the controls without unzipping. There is also the matter of WS instructors to think about. Obviously they sometimes think someone is ready with less than 200, so does that make them irresponsible? I say no, and that the decision should be based on more than just numbers. I think this is a really cool example of skills vs numbers, and how rules do not work for everyone... Obviously there needs to be structure in place, but there also needs to be times when people who progress faster are allowed (under the right supervision / with the right training), to just get on with it. The argument can be with 200 jumps or 600 hundred jumps you will have gained more experiance, therefore you have now qualified to level XX, therefore you can now do this. What if this person has 199 truely awful jumps, is still not standing up landings, does not follow flight line, etc etc, vs a person with say 96 jumps who has jumped well and consistenlty on every jump And has the skills to progress onwards. (apart from there 2nd when they lost there primary and 2ndry instructors And was then caught laughing aloud when they eventually caught back up with him) The jump numbers thing has always frustrated me a bit, as you could make so many jumps on your belly, possibly out of control for 200 jumps, then be given a wingsuit?? it does not make sense.

DSE, In the thread I was also actually intrested in the way the deployment of parachute worked and whether this had an effect on the canopy, and if flying horizontinaly more then verticaly meant less malfunctions. my other q's have been awnsered in some ways or another. So i don't have to start another thread do you and other wingstuiters think you get less or more problems or mals when deploying your main with wings on or off?? or is it the same ammount?? Thanks for all being so informative about this!

But of course, I never made the point that you weren't. I think we all know that you are the shit. I like being the shit, its better then being one, hey dough? I only say it cause i'm starting to like you....

Quote This thread goes great with your downsizing thread! Are you planning on getting a wingsuit to balance out the risks of your canopy selection? Quote Yes i am, that way i can finish myself off. probally come in just b4 jeb on his magic ramp!!! You just have to face the fact that i'm a far better canopy pilot then you are Dough... the 300+ speed flying jumps saw to that...

Heres a good one.. as always i'm trying to keep my options open with the direction 's that i want to go in with this sport. I was looking at the ammount of incidents that occured when people were using wingsuits. The numbers are super low. more low than they should be % wise. Why is this. Is it due to the experiance and jump numbers needed to participate, meaning only good skydivers get into it who have better than avarge skills? Is it due to the way the canopy is deployed i.e more horizontal than us vertical deployers? Is it just luck? Or is it due to a better training system? I tend to over analyze things but would be intrested to others thoughts on the matter!! Or am i wrong about the ammount of inccidents?

so 960 could jump an hour what are the rest of us going to do... I guess we could drink beer, and watch skydiver pinball.... what we need are a couple of slow moving 747's 400 or so per lift, again pin ball springs to mind

there is a reall whuffo momment on the demo, where they all seperate whilst doing a 4 way so they don't hit the cloud...... about 2 thirds of the way in.... You gotta watch those nasty clouds

Ok, here's what i was told..... It aint pretty but it sticks in your mind. Pretend you are having sex , doggy style whilst standing up, thrust your hips forward, and wave at your neighbours with both hands..... Don't actually wave during the skydive.... It'll help you relax aswell

On my way to and from deland last month i was pulled at both the desks. at check in They informed me that taking Rigs onto virgin flights was not permited. They then told me there was a delay on the aircraft due to engine problrems :) i shit you not.. On the way back virgin did not mind me taking my rig on board, (i think this was just after the ba flight had crashed), on maybe due to the plane not having engine problems, so no chance of me going for broke if the plane was going down!!! On the way back it was pulled up at the security desk and an x-ray was done, supervisor came over and asked me about the rig , etc , must say they were all super cool, 2 other supers came over so i could explain the various parts to them, they seemed more intrested then critical, and were all super friendly. explosive test done,no alarm went off though. everyone was happy!!! Nb Orlando has the nicest staff to any airport in america, even the customs and passport control are polite.

[Reply]do you honestly think that a 1.7 WL, at 100 jumps, is safe? what do the people at your DZ think about that? Quote They think that i need to lose some weight They probally have a point... They also have seen me jump and know which courses i have attended, i don't think they would let me jump otherwise at that WL otherwise..... TBH i think from what people are saying i'm going to take there advice and go back up to the 190 again.. No harm in that!! Possibly less harm in fact! Thanks for the PM's some really cool offers from a few people..

It's statements like that which piss people off. You aren't going to convince anyone on here or win the argument that you know what you are doing. Not on here. It just isn't going to happen. For what it's worth, 6 jumps, even from full altitude isn't a whole heck of a lot! I do 6 hop'n'swoop jumps on a monday after work, every week and I don't come on here proclaiming that it makes me an expert. Also, the concept of "being careful" and "swooping" don't exist. For the most part they are mutually exclusive of one another. Doesn't mean people shouldn't swoop, just that, its dangerous no matter how you cut it. I only ask the questions because i love the sport, and think that knowledge and advice will make me a better skydiver, Dropzone is such a good forum to get peoples advice on a variety of subjects as there is so much knowledge from so many different people with a range of experiance and ability. Some good some bad. You would be crazy not to ask questions if it meant you were going to improve your ability by doing so. I feel sorry for you, if that pisses you off.

Hey l.O. Do you take students I should have put my number of speed flying jumps down. that may make more sense to people who are nice enough to worry about my canopy size. (Its cool to see people still look out for one another) Really i am super careful out there, i have jumped 6 or more 11500 footers just to spend time getting to know my canopy. Also attended 3 canopy related courses, normally pull high to give me more time under canopy, and go through a fairly anal routine of trying at least 6 things every jumps, Harness turns, riser turns, stalls, spirals, flat turns.. then on landing down winders and cross winders. I took to canopys like a duck to water, I do push myself a lot but that is me.... But again thanks to everyone for there advise.. Seriously l.O do you take students :) you could lend me you 89

After he made post #12, I'll take a few squares in the bounce bingo game. bounce Bingo rules.. Ok jumps 100 upwards.. you can bet on any number up to 300. i.e 100 or 299 etc etc I'll set up a pay pal account so everyone can play.. If by end of the year i'm still running marathons i win the kitty. put me down for 298

Thanks to the advice from all, i will definetly take it on board... I was though still intrested in other peoples experiance, maybe from a few people who have made bigger downsize's than i have i.e 190 to a 150 or somthing to the like. I am a bit supprised by the swoop advise i must say... i have been getting my canopy to dive on 90 - 180 degrees turns at the momment leaving loads of room for the canopy to recover, getting a bit more speed out of the canopy, but not touching my rear risers at all. I'll post a vid!!! its not very extreme at all.... pretty lame but you have to start somewhere. Just out of curiosity when did people start getting in to swooping, and still curious about peoples experiance when downsizing. BTW i have lost some fat / Muscle i'm now 285lbs with gear.

My wing loadings high i realise but horses for courses, No i am not downsizing anymore, i'm learning how to swoop at the momment so want to have the same rig untill my consistency improves / becomes consistent

I know the wing loading question has been posted on here a load, i have checked most posts on the subject, but I have a question about the subject still. For my 1st year and a bit in the sport I have downsized a lot, but only on my first downsize from a 340 to a 210 did i notice any real difference. I jumped a Saber 210 once off student statis, then jumped a Safire 190 once on a B licence at around 60 jumps, and recently jumped a spectre 170 last week. But still don't notice any real change in performance in varible wind conditions 0 winds up to super high winds. Some take longer to recover when Spiraling, and the 9 cell seem to have more glide, but apart from that they seem the same, maybe a little more twitchey on landing but it still gives you the options of correction and at a quicker speed! Do other People have the same feelings when they downsize? or is it the type or canopys i have been flying? My canopy coach seemed to think that 90% of a downsize is in your mind!! Opinions?