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what do you think of this one:

what do you think: how many skydives would i get out of that? how much should i be willing to pay for that? @tom (and all the others): would you encourage me to buy a Raven II even though a Raven III would most likely be better? (who knows if i get the possibility to buy a Raven III in the next months...)

thanks all for your help. (that chart is great!) posted to add: the zp.exe 235 has a pack-volume of 570 cu.in. and weights 10 Lbs. - compared to a 218 Raven II with (211 sq.ft.,) 419 cu.in. 6,5 Lbs - compared to a 249 Raven III with (241 sq.ft.,) 515. ZP.exe 235 570 cu.in. 10 Lbs Raven II (218) 211 sq.ft. 419 cu.in. 6.5 Lbs Raven III (249) 241 sq.ft. 515 cu.in. (estimated 7.5 Lbs) source: http://www.parachutesystems.co.za/

thank you for your helping posting! jumping a big, docile 7-cell-canopy like the Raven is one of those getting-into-base-recommendations. edited to add: ...it should be similar to base-canopies.

Ok that changes everything

not really - i do not own that specific rig - not yet... edited to add: PS: infact i do not own any rig...

thank you for your answer. i read that the Raven IIg weights 6,5 lbs - is this with the lines and risers? please see attached image. are you sure that i would have to add 33 lbs (that is quite a lot, isn't it?) to my body-weight?

how much load do i have to include in the wingload-calculation? i have 62 kg (= 137 lbs) (naked ). let's assume that i will jump a container with a 218 Raven IIg (7-cell-canopy) as the main-canopy and a suitable reserve in it. i just finished my AFF and have no idea what my weight with the gear on could be...

can anybody tell me what the difference between RAVEN II, RAVEN IIg and RAVEN III is? i would like to use one for BASE-training as a main-skydiving-canopy. edited to add: i already searched the forum but no answer to that specific question.

too small to skydive it for base-training? or too small to base-jump it from fixed objects? what size (for a raven) would you recommend for 62 kg (naked ) and do you know which size the next avaiable/produced raven would have? (245?) ***ebay: The Raven can be used as a reserve or main canopy as it has a bridle attachment point. how much is that ravenIIg worth?

i read that ZP-canopies need more volume than F-111-canopies when packed... how significant is the difference? i also read that 9-cell-canopies need more volume than 7-cell-canopies when packed... how significant is the difference? example 1: 220 9-cell-ZP-canopy vs. 220 7-cell-F-111-canopy example 2: 235 9-cell-ZP-canopy vs. 218 7-cell-F-111-canopy (= zp.exe vs. super raven) well, i had one of those really big student rigs during my AFF (235 ZP.EXE - 9-cell-zp-canopy) - would i also need such a big container if i would buy me a 7-cell-F-111-canopy? (e.g. super raven as my main-canopy) how significant would the difference between my AFF-student-rig and the requiered container for the 218 super raven be? i am looking forward to your replies. thank you for your helping efforts!

that makes sense - thank you for your helping answers. greetings from good old (dezimal-system-)europe

this may be crap - sorry if so. i attached a image where unfortunatelly the right corner is cut off. the image says: maximum deployment-speed 130 K??? is that Km/h? could that be possible - no, i do not think so...? can anybody help?

what would you say to this one: "another problem is, that you could regularly not go skydiving on (more) windy days, because of the bad gliding-performance of such a docile canopy (e.g. raven). you could maybe "often" not reach the DZ anymore..."

what do you think of this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/Skydiving-Parachute-Raven-2-Reserve-Canopy_W0QQitemZ7222865406QQcategoryZ310QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem PS: it sucks to be an ignorant beginner!

how much skydives already done with those canopies would be just acceptable? wow, that is even larger than my 235 ZP-EXE i jumped during my AFF - therefore i guess i would have to use one of those really big student-rigs? i will remind you

can you give an example of a "proper rig" for let's say a 220 base-canopy?

Depending on what attitude you have displayed at your dropzone so far, that might say more about your dropzone and instructor than about you. most likely his critical position during the AFF-course had something to do with the fact that one day before my course started one of his former students died base-jumping. you most likely be right. that's a good point. (would it be a lie if it was only a secret? *g*)

tom, sorry that i did not ask you explicitly. thank you for your very interesting view! hmm, ok - that (all the replies in sum) will most likely change my plan. thank you all for your help once again!

REAL HARD, but i guess a little bit of RW would also be VERY funny. at the moment i am not that interested in freeflying, but i remember that when i started with the AFF the situation was inverse. once again: what do i know with only 30 skydives on the credit side... on the other hand side i think i wouldn't have started and maybe wouldn't continue skydiving (it is indeed a very expensive hobby...) if base wouldn't be in my mind. well i thought of that a few months ago - infact i had the plan to focuse on base-drills 300% (at least *g*)! but then i contacted an experienced "local" base jumper, skydiving instructor and rigger. he advised me to play the sport (base) as save as possible (!) but on the other hand side told me that he would not buy a really big, docile base-canopy(-alike) for my first canopy. ("what if you stand on the exit-point the first time and you shit your pants after torturing yourself while skydiving for 2 years?") all his arguments seemed conclusive, even though i wanted to beliefe, that i would will not shit my pants anyway! *g* the next "problem" i would have to face: infact i am everything but not keen on the fact that the guys at my local dropzone would come to know my getting-into-base-plan. (my AFF-instructor would kill me! *g*)

hmm, this (making a decision) is all so difficult (and expensive *g*)! how much do i know about what makes fun with only 30 belly-skydives on the credit side? @jaap: how did you start skydiving? did you know that you wanted to get into base at the beginning? would you really buy yourself a super-docile base-canopy(-alike) if you would be in my situation?

thanks tom, i was told and i read severel times that it could become frustrating to focus 200% on base-jumping while learning to skydive. well, i started skydiving just because of base but of course also want to have fun in the air while skydiving... maybe an acceptable option could be to start skydiving with a canopy that also makes fun and jump one of those docile canopies 30 times (or so) in the weeks right before the FJC? what do think of that? would therefore a triathon be acceptable? edited: spelling

i hope it is ok to post this on the base-forum. well, it is time for me (after AFF) to buy my first skydiving-rig. as i would like to get into base in the future i would be interested to hear your opinion on aerodyne's triathlon as a first-skydiving-canopy for me. well, it would be a 7-cell-canopy - maybe not too bad to make the recommended drills? if you could recommend it - wich size should it have? i have 30 skydives and 62 kg. i am looking forward to your replies.

thank you for your helping answers. i am such a dumb-ass! well, i was very (!) hungry when i posted - so maybe you can all forgive me...

well, this may be crap... i thought speed of a base-canopy mostly depends on break-settings? as i already mentioned - this may be crap - forgive me, i am new to canopy-sports - but would appreciate it if anybody could explain the facts on this topic. edited: spelling