jakee

She infredre that yuo delivre gifts to little childner all aronud the wrold? That soudns kinda ncie. I get paid in brandy and christmas pudding, it's a decent gig Hopefully I can be promoted to the southern hemisphere soon - it gets cold up here! Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Inferring that I'm doing the work of Satan isn't very polite either. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

As Errol pointed out I was using SA's health minister to draw a comparison, not saying that SA was Catholic. There are other parts of Africa where Catholicism has massive followings. There is a unanimous consensus between all 5 major world health organisations that properly used condoms block the transmission of HIV. That the Vatican tries to tell people this is not so in order to shore up their outdated morality is absolutely disgusting. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

I'm sorry, I'm a little hard of hearing, what was that?

That is staggering, isn't it? It really makes me think that these people honestly have no concept of either time or human history. Aside from Dawkins example that they are wrong on a scale akin to believing New York is only 15 feet from San Francisco, they actually believe (if they ever stopped to think about it) that the dinosaurs still roamed the earth when the Egyptians were building the first of the pyramids! Mind boggling Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Lol, yeah. Sorry if I jumped down your throat with the first reply Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Thanks. Merry Christmas dude

And being so arrogant as to not have in place a "Chain Home" type of Radar reporting and control network such as we had been using (incredibly successfully) against Luftwaffe attacks for several years. Would have bought you guys an hours warning, not much but its a start. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

What was Christmas about for the early church? They didn't really have it. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

They can consider them their own. They should not, however, consider these thing exclusive to Christianity, or even originally Christian. True, And quite different from Jakee's 1st post. Call it mildly reactionary. Also, Lisa's first post says "you can't change what Christmas is about." If the early church hadn't changed what Christmas was about then we would no longer have it at all. These things do not stem from Christianity. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

So, decorated trees, giving gifts, family gatherings aren't Christmas traditions? Nope. they are traditions from the various pagan winter soltice festivals that were originally banned but (bowing to popular pressure) eventually co-opted by the church. (With the possible exception of the tree. Don't know where that came from) Do you want to have an ideagasm?

And merry Christmas to you too

If you want christmas to only be based on the christian tradition then you'd better scrap your trees, your decorations, your feasting, your gift giving and the whole idea of celebrating - 'cos thats pagan baby! Do you want to have an ideagasm?

And there you have it Collective hallucinations? Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Umm, US declared war on Japan - Germany declared war on US, US returned the favour, right? Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Nice metaphor - but thats not at all what happened to Roman democracy. The mob could no more vote themselves cut price grain than we could vote ourselves a tax cut. . Ummm - didn't the US vote itself a tax cut in 1980, 1984, 2000 and again in 2004? Through a referendum? Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Nice metaphor - but thats not at all what happened to Roman democracy. The mob could no more vote themselves cut price grain than we could vote ourselves a tax cut. And the Barbarians destroyed the western empire 500 years after the civil wars destroyed democracy in Rome. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Well thats an incredibly sad (and slightly dishonest) way of looking at things. Living a 'good' life does not neccessitate being perfect or 'sinless'. Its not a binary scale, you can slip up once or twice and still be a good person (not now Paj). What sort of way to go through life is it thinking "Oh well I may be horrible and unworthy but at least I can suck up to this bloke and he'll give me a free pass." Thats just depressing! Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Yes Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Well, I don't know anything about the Vatican and it's alleged lies (or anything else). But the idea of blaming Rome for incidences of sexually-transmitted AIDS or any other STD is pretty sad. When people in South Africa prematurely die of AIDS symptoms because they have been taking wild garlic and sweet potatoes instead of HIV medication then its fair to blame the SA Health minister for spouting such absolute garbage. When the Vatican uses its huge influence in high risk areas to stop people from using condoms, and spreads deliberate lies and junk science about the efficacy of condoms in preventing HIV transmission then it is fair to blame them as well. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

I guess the same could be said of the people who rant about all our civil rights being taken away and who claim we're unbearable close to becoming a Fascist police state. Explain how that fits? Do you want to have an ideagasm?

So, to paraphrase, "The existence of a God as the creator is a theory with a lot of support, because it could account for everything observed. OTOH the continued lack of any observations of God is causing much head scratching and soul searching, leading to the present debate as to whether or not there is a God. No one will accept it as true until it can be demonstrated." Can you make verifiable predictions based on a god hypothesis? Do you want to have an ideagasm?

I'm not sure whether to or . When I think about the Vatican's staggeringly brazen lies on the subject I feel exactly the same way, except without the option of laughing. Do you want to have an ideagasm?

Too late, John. I've caught you in a misspelling. That clearly shows the lie in everything you've said in this thread - your clumsy attempts to disguise your perfidy notwithstanding. I fixed it 6 minutes before you posted - thus showing that it was a typo and not a spelin eror. 7:08 – 7:03 = 5 minutes. Not 6. 5. If you've lost your ability to do simple arithmetic (and apparently you have), how can we possibly trust your exit separation calculations? This is serious. It could cost lives. It shows as edited 7:02 on my screen, you've lost the ability to read Roman numerals VII:II? I thought we used Hindu/Arabic numerals? Do you want to have an ideagasm?