TheAnvil

May good tequila and even better friends find you en masse today! Smiles, Vinny

That's GREAT news from Ford! Ha! Now, it looks like some sane people are coming onto the scene! Haven't been so happy at the prospect of a filibuster - ever. Dear LORD let them be successful and kill this thing! Forever! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[BARF] Dear GOD Stalin and Lenin must be smiling up from the pits of hell right now! Holy shit is this absolutely nauseating to contemplate! What next? A fucking airline? Maybe a train company? Or a housing complex? A construction company perhaps? FUCKING IDIOTS! Absolute fucking morons! And the strategic choice for socialism/Marxism/communism hasn't even been sworn in yet! Bad decisions and union fucktardedness over YEARS cause corporations to self destruct and we're going to rescue them with taxpayer $$ without any ROI for the taxpayer. With political vice judiciary oversight under CH 11, the requisite work force restructuring will not occur. Oh SHIT this is so fucking stupid. I'll endeavor to not even RENT a vehicle from a company leeching taxpayer $$ from the Treasury to survive. Now all we have to do is get this goat-fuck-stupid card check legislation passed, and the country will truly be headed to hell in a hand basket. Note to the fucktard pieces of shit who support card-check: If you can't tell the nation you're taking away the right to a secret ballot, then you're just like the majority of affirmative action supporters (who can't tell the nation they support racial discrimination) - cowards who can't state that which they support. I'm going to go throw up. [barf] Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

In the real world, if these companies receive $$ without going through the pain of CH 11 bankruptcy, those rendering the $$ will all lose. The $$ won't be enough and the companies will come back for more. I don't care if all three CEO's step down. President, President Elect, Savior of the Nation [barf], whatever you wish to call him - Mr. Obama - has shown he doesn't grasp the issues plaguing these companies. If he did, executive compensation wouldn't have appeared at all in his remarks. If these companies can't enter and then exit CH11 without ceasing to exist, then they have no business continuing to exist. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Boortz was pretty good today. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Acquired with what periodicity? Think again. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Too much egg nog, as of late, Sir John? If you'll recall, I'm no fan of the bank bailout. What point were you trying to make, exactly? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Ha! You've found $1.5 of the $15 billion already! Whoohooo! No need for taxpayer $$. CH 11 will allow the requisite restructuring to occur.

Oooh, I think it will be painful, but necessary. I don't feel it will have as great an effect as you predict. I think two of the three would survive and emerge as stronger companies upon their exit from CH 11 protection - Ford and GM or Chrysler; possibly all three. Ford, especially. Ford has shown they know how to do business efficiently - check out their plant in Brazil. The F-150 is a well designed and popular vehicle. Under CH 11 they could take the necessary and painful actions required to once again become a competitive company. Throwing $$ at them with their current contractual burden would be an insult to every tax payer. Pain will be felt. It's going to be felt anyway. And holy SHIT will it be felt when other monsters in the shadows that have been ignored for far too long come and bite all of us in the arse - SS, PBGC, Medicare, Medicade, etc. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Under Chapter 11 restructuring, I have no doubt those 12000 jobs would be gone instantly - but I don't think those 12000 folks and their benefits amount to 14 billion; it would surprise me greatly, at any rate. Nixng the UAW contract then restructuring the labor force would definitely be a major part of exiting CH 11. Ford has shown it can make some of the most efficient plants in the world - down in Brazil because UAW is opposed to such plants here in the US. Toyota, on the other hand, doesn't mind having its plants run as efficiently as possible, minimizing costs and therefore making itself more competitive. Leftists don't get that, as they've lost sight of the fact that corporations exist to make a profit and not to provide jobs to workers. The Detroit 3 are corporations competing against other corporations that are NOT going to be hindered by such inanity. Bailing them out is sending $$ into a black hole with NO ROI for the taxpayer. They should enter CH 11, restructure, and become competitive or cease to exist. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

I make a badass gumbo.

Go over the bridge to Bahrain. Plenty o' beer there! A friend who was in Saudi had some way of making non-alcoholic beer into some alcoholic swill.

I think you should re-examine that. Your assumption that automotive manufacturers are such a large part of the economy really isn't tenable to me. Autos are one of many consumer items sold in the US and there is no way in hell that having all of these companies go into Chapter 11 would break the US economy. Affect it? Yes. Break it irreparably? No way. The airlines are also extremely large organizations with a vast network of support contractors. They went through Chapter 11 and the economy survived just fine. Loss of jobs would most definitely result. Would that kill the economy? I doubt it. The support contractors and suppliers, as with every single company that declares bankruptcy, would be affected. A death blow to the economy? It wasn't when the airlines went under. As for increased cost of vehicles? There are other brands from different companies out there competing. Competition will keep prices down. A slight increase, perhaps, but not much with regards to that one commodity - automobiles. Without going through the painful process of allowing unprofitable corporations to restructure under bankruptcy protection or go the way of the dodo, they will be on constant life support - from the taxpayer. I find that revolting in all regards. [barf] Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

I don't buy into the inane theory that the bankruptcy of one or any of these companies would be a backbreaking blow to the U.S. economy. Not by a long shot. Doesn't hold any water - not even an ounce. Chapter 11 has been good enough for better run companies than these three. It's good enough for them. Putting $$ into these companies has ZERO ROI for the taxpayer and in today's budgetary environs that is even more unacceptable than normal - and it's ALWAYS unacceptable. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Well? If not, WHY? THis is absolutely fucking stupid. I mean MORONIC. And We're going to let it happen? WHY? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Dis-fucking-gusting How can we be this fucking stupid? I mean what the hell does it take to get through to people? Embracing Marx over Adam Smith with the last election was one thing. But this is absolutely the DUMBEST fucking thing I have ever heard of our government doing in my short lifetime. The concept of Treasury funds being expended on private corporations to extend their existence is utter insanity. What is the ROI for the taxpayer? NONE! CHAPTER 11 has been an avenue for years and is the avenue these companies should take. This is so moronic it defies description. DUMBFUCKS! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

And cars not selling isn't what got those three corporations where they are today. What the FUCK is anyone thinking? CHAPTER 11!!!! It's good enough for the airlines! It's good enough for the auto makers! No brainer! Duuuuhhhhhhh..... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

It's about time we had some good news.

The antics of the Detroit crowd and their supporters would be amusing if it weren't for the finite probability that they actually will be bailed out. Those who support a bailout may adequately be described as 'dumbfucks'. A legal mechanism already exists for corporations when they are no longer profitable and able to pay their debts. It's known as Chapter 11 Bankruptcy. Why ANYONE would want taxpayer $$ to go into companies manufacturing a tangible product in a competitive market that have no coherent plan for profitability that haven't even been through the existing bankruptcy process is utterly beyond me. Some of the focus has been fucktarded. Corporate jets - I don't give a fuck. The CEOs of multinationals typically fly in them because their time is valuable and the time the gain by taking those jets pays for their use - and then some. Who cares? Tactic targeted at idiots. Executive compensation. As compared to the difference between the Big 3 salaries versus their competitors until recent UAW concessions? Show that $$ figure! Better still, show the total amount paid to people in job banks doing nothing since their inception in the 80's! STUPID! Add in the benefits package for those in job banks doing nothing as well. Executives earn that salary for a reason - their services are valuable and the market sets those rates. Who the hell is focusing on that as an issue vice the core causes of insolvency for these corporations? IDIOTS! Bottom line - these corporations are going under. There is an existing legal mechanism for them to pursue. They should go that route and then recover or cease to exist as an entity. A government bailout is NOT in the best interest of the taxpayer. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Actually, she left for a short while for myriad reasons - the arrogance and absolutely acid-laced hate coming from both left and right leaning people among them. Most definitely not in a huff, but it's OK if you state such things and make insulting insinuations about others (but not TheAnvil, because he is just so fucking hot damned SEXY. MAN, but am I SEXY. I mean just hot damned SEXY...a SEXY JACKASS I indeed am.) So easy to digress along that line. Welcome back Karen. Congrats on the boards, again.

I thought Bill Richardson would be a fantastic SecState as well. However, the Dems do a far better job than republicans of grooming future leaders. Commerce gets Bill Richardson some serious experience in another aspect of government. I still believe he was the best choice running of all the Democrats in the primaries. Perhaps later he'll run again and be both far more experienced and successful. I'll probably vote against him, being a conservative, but he is one of the left's more palatable leaders and quite a smart fellow. I've heard from people who've worked with him that he's a fantastic guy to boot. I expected Secretary Gates to stay on, though I don't think he will stay for more than a couple of years. Extremely great man, there. SecState was a great surprise to me. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Like I said - both are culpable. The result should be Chapter 11. Why a bailout is even being considered by anyone with a 3 digit IQ is beyond me. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Hey, union-lovers! How about explaining how paying people who don't contribute to your bottom line is good for companies. Clicky How about having some left leaning folks supporting a big 3 bailout tell us that ZERO taxpayer $$ will go towards paying workers who aren't turning wrenches/contributing to the company's bottom line? I won't hold my breath. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Oh I blame management for their poor decisions. I also blame the unions for driving up labor costs exorbitantly. Isn't that nice, placing blame where it's appropriate? But leftists can't do that, can they? Oh no. If they blame their precious unions in ANY WAY then they risk not getting those nice union $$ to fund their campaigns. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Scared of facts, eh? A couple posts above you'll find a NICE starting point. When you're ready, get back to me. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!