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Thanks Andreas, Would you also come to the same opinion that a pair of just baggy pants for you first terminal jumps would help at all. Also, I notice that the jumper jumping your suit has a bit of a different track position. Would this be only possible to achieve threw use with on a tracking dive skydiving without your pants or do the pants favor putting you in this position being that that extra material between your leg acts as a wing to help push up your mid section?. And anyway i could get a demo pair to try out skydiving....? Thanks, Chris In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Hey Nickster...fins are cool....i tried fins and a boggie board after i saw it in a video....it was a amusment ride to say the least......It felt like a camera suit gone possesed......I did read though about people wearing tracking booties like on a 4 way suit and said they worked better than pants at Norway..... i could believe that...... Hope all is well Nickster.... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

This is also good stuff....i would really like to hear from who is actually wearing them...using them....Even if you are the manufacture........ I see more video than i hear from users..... I see the guy tracking the ITTW with pressurized pants and tracking like a banchie...but again what kind of jump numbers does he have and he is a very low puller so it's hard to judge if you pulled at safe altitude...what difference would it make....No offence but at the Valley he had a 3 secound canopy ride... that does not seem like a way to promote safety....you wouldnt give a guy with zero experience a base rig so why should you sell a pair of pants to someone who does not understand the complete risks of what they have the potentional to do....I think it's a valid question...again i could be totally wrong....just pokeing for information to try to avoide making stupid mistakes... Thanks chris In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Thanks Tom, i did read the smoke pants posts. Very good stuff. I dont think price is a option for me at this point. i think i am worth the extra couple hundred bucks and would pay a extra couple hundred to know that i have a better chance of not having a blow out at pull time. I would also think that a 70's baggy skydive suit would aid in tracking . I noticed in the movie Continuim, the Denver crew wore skydiving pants and suits and seemed to get good results . i would also assume they are very talented as well with out these by the footage. My other subterminal question was more about using a suit at say Swiss. If you where doing a say 8 or 9 second delay and at pull time you are closer to terminal wouldnt that suit also want to really start working as you gained the speed? I could think of nothing worse that at pull time that all of a sudden that suit give you a big surge and be off balance... The only thing i read in the forums about the presurized suit is that it turned a guy back to the wall on his first 2 jumps. Being that he was already experienced enough at Big wall sites this gives me thoughts about training in them... Thanks, Chris In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Would or could anyone comment on the 3 available tracking pants. Pressurized, Birdman, and PF. I would also like to here about a better and safer way to approch using these or working up to using them safely. I would tend to think that a pair of slighly baggy pants like cargo pants would aid in tracking. I also believe that even with several flights in a pair of tracking pants in a skydiving envirorment would not completly prepair yourself for a base flight with them. It seems there are so many other varibles and not the luxury of time like in a skydive to work out problems that you may incounter. I did say "completly" . Any skydiving done practicing with these pants and suit will no doubt help in transitioning to a base jump. I also heve seen these used in non terminal jumps like Swiss. Are these harder to use in a subterminal enviorment and can they make a subterminal jump more dangerous.. Would like to here your opinions... Thanks all, Chris In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

I have read about tracking pants and jackets turning people around back to the wall and it seems that again the equipment has surpassed us. Like he said what is one secound.....to live another day by far out weighs a secound or two. I would really like to hear more about this last fatality as it is a shame that with 500 or so jumps that this had to happen. By what i have read he had to be right over the DZ. I would think that someone with this amount of experience would have nothing to prove to anybody at this point.....Would love to here from others about what that extra second means to them...I can't see the payoff... Thank's for the article Be safe, Chris In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

I'll vote for ya..... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Yes to some extent....and i dont want to compare but it reminds me of the dropzone or the surf line up at rincon...Alot of different personalities all with the same love of what they are doing.... And hey....look at the Woman of base calander....thats a start for world peace... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

You could be right....but not about my panties....I go commando.... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

I didn't say they werent trying to help...i thought it a setback that 1, they are not going to represent the base jumping community as a whole. 2, they cant seem to get the community together as a hole which is what a Alliance is suppose to be. Different people with the same goals in mind working togather for the "Greater Good"... Something just does not seem right ...just my opinion....Thats why we have this forum to share opinions and information...Right?? In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

and whats yours if it really matters that much.... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Thats true...but the difference is that they are still jumping exit #6 the day after a fatality and when is the last time they jumped El Cap..... They state they are fighting for worldwide access when they cant even fix there own access problems.It's the art of "don't try to fix something thats not broken"... If you can gain access to El Cap again then you have shown you have abilities to do good elsewhere. They also state in a letter that Utah is first on there list. Whats the plan there. they have access in sites there.. Maybe i am wrong ...but from what i have read...something aint right in the henhouse... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

I hope when the crack wears off you will relize that Europe could and never will give a shit what you American people think... For whatever its worth...and for the poor souls who send you money...you need to start worrying about your own backyard before you worry about someone else's that does not have your problems of access... Stating that you cannot get base jumpers to get together for a greater good shows me you do not have the insite to do just that... It's no wonder that my only goals to jump are to jump in europe ..please stay out of there before you fuck my chances up of one day stepping off exit #6.... Sorry, but you are screwing with my future plans... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

That says, Thanks for funding my idea and now you can all go ..... Whats the first in Utah and then everywhere else. I thought the main goal was to get The yellowstone bad boy opened....And what's with other countries crap...They have the best and highest base sites open.... There we go again ...try to go over to some other country and show them how to do the things we cant even do ourselves right.. Thanks god i didn't send any money to these clowns.. lets see.. hire very talented people to raise money...then fire talented people...Nick D. is going to have a field day with this one..... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Looked good Tom...way to go... chris In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Exit 6 is it the most popular exit point that you see in all the videos? Sorry, just trying to visulize where incident happened.. Also, i have read in the post that a guy trying out pressuirzed pants said that on 2 jumps they turned him back twards the wall. Could tracking pants attribute to fumbling at pull time? Thanks , Chris In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

My sympathies to all who are aquainted. Which exit point and was this and was this a solo jump or was more involved in jump ? .. currious about the trouble with the pitch part being you say experienced as jumper was...again...sorry to hear........ chris In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Thats the one..... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Ok, see if you can find her site...i cant seem to find whos base site had a link to her site but she had a swiss valley video jump she did. pretty cool... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Great..i stand corrected.... i knew it was some where around there.....put a link to her web site...i cant remember where i bookmarked it....dont forget to add yourself to the list...... i would say to add you to the hardcore base list... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

i seem to recall a girl from austria or swiss. that was a base jumper. there are a couple of videos and pics of her but dont rember where i saw them. she was tall blond extreme skier, climber ,base jumper. Someone would know who i am talking about. my 2 cents.... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

agreed...... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Would clothing ie. tracking pants jackets make a difference on your first terminal jumps. Say for instance you are wearing a baggy jacket and maybe tight or short pants. would this make worse a head high...ie back into the wall by fighting your wind resistant top layer? That would go also for baggy tracking pants that could induce head down as you are fighting leg wind resistance. I would think that this would make a difference. would love to here some prospectives on this for first time terminal jumps... Thanks, chris In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

Sorry Chuck ..you are correct....The actuall swoop verses the bad judgement low turn or heavy traffic collision is what you say is correct..... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"

I will agree with you here but as to the unknowns...i would say it could be a tie... I am not even close to your level of experience in terms of swooping... i lived threw a bad swoop...bounce and that was that. I have spent allot of time with highly experienced swoopers and even then...they get bit in the ass. from a usally unknown. look at say Dwain...thousand jumps with nothing short of a scratch..then unknown bit in the ass... I think every day is a unknown...and have to agree with basebasebase01.....we make a biggger deal about death in America...but also on how we die. You see a car accident and say bummer...we see a skydiving accident and go oh my god....Makes little sense... I remember in Jeb's documentry him saying, " you can't control your death, so stop trying to fool yourself ... and live your life"... i will say that not based on overall averages that i have seen more swoopers die in the last year than base jumpers..... and for Skinflicka always making me laugh.... In the end...the universe has a way of working itself out.... "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle"