marcandalysse

See you guys in a couple of hours...getting my pirate outfit together AAARRRGG! Its cloudy so far today....think I'll start on the pirate grog early!! marc "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

'chillin' is a funny word. its 80degrees out here. will probably not get to zhills till new years day. there's a great concert 'Trombone Shorty' playing in St Pete Coliseum new years eve. welcome back to zhills, see ya around! marc "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

You are missing the point. Its not a question of who pays for the laptop. It is an ownership liability and responsibility issue. Or was..... Thanks again everyone your comments were very much appreciated! mp "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

Well everyone, not a single person I talked with or who responded here said to use my own laptop for this company. To those of you that said 'walk away'...that is what I just did. The final company decision was that I would be responsible for ownership of the laptop. If you saw their salary and bonus offer, you might say that I was nuts to stand on 'principles' or 'fear of the unknown liability'..... FYI, this was a high paying salary plus multiple bonuses offer they gave me. For that, I was ready to sign on once they agreed to take responsibility for ownership of the laptop. Looks like I won't be freezing my ass off up north next week!!! Once again, thanks for the feedback, Marc "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

Great responses everyone! It is not a question of money, whether I spend it or they do is irrelevant to my concern. Plus they are providing all the needed software. Questions about 'intellectual property' etc are not the issue. To me it is a LIABILITY question. If it is their machine and fucks up somehow then it's their liability in front of the client. If it's my ownership then a drive crash or whatever is my responsibility. Either way it would be a dedicated machine for work only, I do have a personal laptop for surfing DZ.com and etc. Marc "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

Bumping this up because I need to make a decision on this one soon. I do like the company, and the renumeration and benefits and potential bonuses are okay. But in reading your comments and talking to others, everyone has agreed that it is not a good idea to use a computer that I personally own. I still don't feel it is appropriate to use a computer I own for the company business. Too much liability, you never know what could happen...But I know that this is something they never had to negotiate with a hire before and are not sure if they want to go along. It seems like a small thing to be a deal breaker, but ya never know. Am I being inflexible? Further comments, friends? Marc "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

542 Marc "Pilgrim" Pearl There's a great Hellfish banner flying at the ZHills boogie this week! "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

On the Skydive City website, Tony Hathaway has created a very good video of AFF jumps showing what to do on each level. http://www.skydivecity.com/html/students/SDCAFF.mov "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

I had cilantro with eggs for breakfast, and will have it with a brasilian shrimp stew (moqueca de camarao) for christmas eve dinner. Called 'coentro' in Brasil, Cilantro in espanol...good good good and tasty!! "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

Everybody!! But ESPECIALLY THE SHEEP! BAA BAA BAA!!! see ya assholes! muff muff muff marc "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

BIGUN thanks for your detailed comments. However, I am not referring to an independent consultant going into a client site. I would be a fulltime hire by the consulting company going to the client sites...I would expect my company to provide HW/SW for doing their work. But even when I was independent I would not use my own laptop on a job. The contract doesn't detail the laptop situation. Beyond stating compensation, benefits, and bonuses there is the standard noncompete contract for signing. It refers to the Employee Handbook for details, which they haven't sent to me yet. Marc "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

Thanks for the replies. So far everyone agrees with me on this one. I forgot to ask them if I would be responsible to acquire (and pay for) the software...like MS Office Pro which has Project and Visio, ERwin data modeling, etc etc. mp "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

With Comcast here, you must have the basic cable and the internet access is added on top of that charge. Now the real question is: Anybody use FIOS from Verizon, and how is it different from DSL? marc "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

This is not addressed to independent contractors for hire on individual project contracts. I've been talking to a company about a full time consultant position, 100% travel to their client sites. They don't provide a company laptop. I would have to buy one powerful enough to use their apps and databases etc. I don't like the idea of being responsible for company and client documents, software, emails etc on a personally owned computer. I don't even know if that is legal. My past jobs always gave me a company laptop. Is this unusual? What are your thoughts? Marc

oh man I won't make that mistake twice! You can have my share! I was going to be there...but 110 Finns sounds kinda scary! "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

Thanks! Someone should send THAT video to NYTimes! mp "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

Does anyone have the link to that video from a few years ago of the wingsuit flier swooping past the control tower and landing on the runway? Or the name of the video so I can do a search on skydiving movies.com? Marc "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

I am curious...I checked out their site....which of their special areas of focus will you be working with? marc "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

To repeat....telephone zhills on any weekend and have him paged. 800-404-9399 zhills manifest/office PS if you would tell us YOUR NAME we can give him the message....! "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

why can't a hotdog be 12 inches long? Cause then it would be A FOOT! Eat that!! "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

How the heck did he get into your house.... by the way, they are cute till they start destroying everything they can play with...and they bite! "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

Best Bet is The Mayor's Phantom Limo Service ...see mark, I listened! "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

those are fun videos...nice to see my muff bros doing the sacred chants! thanks for the link by the way, this thread was started by Ed....and he is in your video...in the protec helmet... marc "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

yes yes yes....sky is in zhills for the season....you can probably reach him at the dz on weekends....good ole D-350 himself.... "The reason angels can fly is that they take themselves so lightly." --GK Chesterton

AKC (American Kennel Club) has Pet Insurance Plans, but I haven't looked at costs yet. http://www.akcpethealthcare.com/