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Its not my intention to change anybodys opinion about unrated instructors. Just pointing out that an unrated mentor might be better than nothing at all. Although nothing at all seems to have done just fine also.
I'm curious as to what negative consequences you are refering to in your post above. I've seen excellent flying from the self taught and what I couldn't regard as flying from rated , experienced bird-men. It comes down to the individual.
But this is taking us back to dead-horse territory, years old and off topic which is:
Would the unsupported BMI become a " betamax repair man"?
I'm curious as to what negative consequences you are refering to in your post above. I've seen excellent flying from the self taught and what I couldn't regard as flying from rated , experienced bird-men. It comes down to the individual.
But this is taking us back to dead-horse territory, years old and off topic which is:
Would the unsupported BMI become a " betamax repair man"?
TomAiello 25
QuoteWould the unsupported BMI become a " betamax repair man"?
My honest opinion is that Chuck ought to start a new rating system called "Wingsuit Instructor" that he involves other people in, and which is unrelated to any manufacturer.
dploi 0
Note that a lot of the reason why the manufacturer's ratings exist is for demonstrating the proper use of their products. Mainly, hooking them up and emergency procedures. But being that all/most other forms of skydiving have official instructor ratings regardless of gear (AFF, CReW, FS, etc), I don't see why there couldn't be one for safe and effective wingsuit flying.
My honest opinion is that Chuck ought to start a new rating system called "Wingsuit Instructor" that he involves other people in, and which is unrelated to any manufacturer.
I agree, either that, or move to south Afrika.
Buried 0
QuoteBut being that all/most other forms of skydiving have official instructor ratings regardless of gear (AFF, CReW, FS, etc), I don't see why there couldn't be one for safe and effective wingsuit flying.
If you read the spin off thead, WS'n is a discipline, as is FF, CRew, skyboarding, etc. In the USPA there is no rating specific to those disciplines, just recommendations.
If other countries had ratings, the people should post them in that thread. I noticed someone mentioned that SA has them, yet didn't post in that thread
Funny that people can't get away from talking about 'instructiing' compared to glenn'ps real question.
if you saw bird-mans new's letter, the delays were caused by a few things and also big move, yet i'm surprised that others didn't know that and post it when people were posting about their delayed BM suits. oh well.
if BM or even PF ceased to exit, i'm sure the ratings would stil be 'honored' yet i could see [former] BMI's going to PFIs. I could see less [former] PFI's going to BMI's tho due to ill feelings. I'd hope that would mean that people look for training from experienced pilots with qualifications, as they have in the past.
Where is my fizzy-lifting drink?
Buried 0
QuoteAlso, I do have a big problem with under-qualified people (with less than 500 jumps) just finding a suit and going for it.
how about 475? or 503?
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I really have a problem with people with under 500 jumps and no ratings of any kind teaching people to fly wingsuits.
how about somone with 400 jumps (of them 250 WS on various suits) or 525 jumps (w/ AFF-i and 30-40 ws jumps on 1 or 2 suits)?
BTW i dont expect a reply
Where is my fizzy-lifting drink?
voodew1 0
QuoteI charge zero dollars for a FFC, but I do charge rent on my suits sometimes. Why, because they get fucking trashed (right, Jason?).
I/we base our suit rental on if we know the persons landing ability -- if we ship off demos we are going to charge for rental with a clause for repairs -- because yes some mofos can't land standing up and other fuckers like to take shit apart to see how it works
The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid
Dude in retrospect I was sooooo lucky with my loaners. I never put anybody in a wingsuit that couldn't land their regular gear. If their legstraps didn't look clean I told them to come back when they had more jumps. I only really had one slight abrasion from an ass landing, accidental and one grass stain from a low swoop knee drag that was intentional ( the drag not the stain ) on two different suits. That shit that you went through with your loaners was evil.
Way back in the day few BMIs had spare suits and relied on the factory demo box which was loaned to BMIs mainly for boogies. After the UPS uninsured shipping debacle BMIs were encouraged with discounts to maintain spare suits of their own. So back in 04~05, Jason my man, there is a possibility that you guys were the most "self equipped" instructors. I feel for some of my friends that have gathered a personal squadron of demo suits ranging from 5' to over 6' that are useless to them for anything but instruction. They have every right to charge a rental and maintenance fee.
But I apologize this is off topic.
Way back in the day few BMIs had spare suits and relied on the factory demo box which was loaned to BMIs mainly for boogies. After the UPS uninsured shipping debacle BMIs were encouraged with discounts to maintain spare suits of their own. So back in 04~05, Jason my man, there is a possibility that you guys were the most "self equipped" instructors. I feel for some of my friends that have gathered a personal squadron of demo suits ranging from 5' to over 6' that are useless to them for anything but instruction. They have every right to charge a rental and maintenance fee.
But I apologize this is off topic.
Also, I do have a big problem with under-qualified people (with less than 500 jumps) just finding a suit and going for it. I really have a problem with people with under 500 jumps and no ratings of any kind teaching people to fly wingsuits. None of you are going to change my mind about that. It is irresponsible. It might be OK at your DZ or on your rock, but it's not OK most places where people actually fly wingsuits much. Once again, none of you are going to change my opinion about that. I have been at it far too long and have seen the consequences.
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