ffp1974 0 #1 November 11, 2008 We had an 8 way sky dive being built on Sun. The four way was connected. Is it the groups concern to bring the formation down to the jumpers that are going low. Or provide a stable base for them to get to? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tetra316 0 #2 November 11, 2008 The base sets the fall rate. Everyone else is responsible for matching that fall rate. You shouldn't bring the skydive down if someone is going low. (This only applies in a perfect world of course ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ffp1974 0 #3 November 11, 2008 That is what I was taught. Fly your slot and give a good stable base. Of course the guy that told me I should have brought the formation down to help the others, also was the one who told me to fly my slot a few weeks ago. lol I will state we were doing a dog bone and i was the connecting piece, with my back to the others trying to get into the formation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philly51 0 #4 November 12, 2008 If the base is together, they can pick up the rate AS A GROUP. I only attempt to speed up if the people who are low are trying to get back up. If they've given up, they're on their own. Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, Shouting "...holy shit...what a ride!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keithbar 1 #5 November 13, 2008 never quit trying till your goggles fill with blood. or you reach breakoff altitude whichever comes first ymmvi have on occasion been accused of pulling low . My response. Naw I wasn't low I'm just such a big guy I look closer than I really am . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #6 November 13, 2008 QuoteIf the base is together, they can pick up the rate AS A GROUP. I only attempt to speed up if the people who are low are trying to get back up. If they've given up, they're on their own. agreed, but it depends on the group I've been with groups that just don't know how to speed up a small round base. Taking really hard grips or shifting to high grips and then trying to arch hard doesn't work and sometimes will slow it down. But there is no reason, if the base is communicating and sees someone low, that they shouldn't try to speed up as a base. But that's a bonus. A steady fall rate at a reasonable speed is all that should be "expected". ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #7 November 13, 2008 If four people out of the eight way go low, then the base was too slow. If one person goes low, it's easy to blame him, but if half of your group is low, you need to pick up the fall rate. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdrejhon 8 #8 November 13, 2008 I've automatically picked up my fallrate along with the rest of the base, in smallish ways (4-ways, 6-ways) where everyone else who wasn't docked yet was low, and the whole base decided to fall as fast as possible to catch up with them. Usually during mixed advanced/intermediate/novice loads. Mostly it was a matter of all of us automatically levelling with the leader who goaded the rest of the base to fall faster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #9 November 19, 2008 Why not ask the jumpers that have a faster fall rate to buy a suit that has excess material under the arm pits to the waist. I was having the same problem until i bought a suit like this. I can now control my fall rate from 90 mph to 155 mph, and a max 217 mph+ (In a track, and in a head down body position) The suit is a freefly suit from ParaChi. Her husband and herself own a really nice DZ in Oklahoma. Steve-O-Rino jumps and flies video there. I hope this helps in some small way. Good Luck And Be Safe.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #10 November 19, 2008 QuoteWhy not ask the jumpers that have a faster fall rate to buy a suit that has excess material under the arm pits to the waist. Hey guys, since I'm unable to learn to pick up the fall rate, would each of you spend between $300 and $500 on a new suit you'll wear just when you jump with me? It'll need some excess flapping material, so you'll need to deal with slight loss in your flying ability. Thanks a BUNCH ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyBoyd 0 #11 November 19, 2008 Quote Quote Why not ask the jumpers that have a faster fall rate to buy a suit that has excess material under the arm pits to the waist. Hey guys, since I'm unable to learn to pick up the fall rate, would each of you spend between $300 and $500 on a new suit you'll wear just when you jump with me? It'll need some excess flapping material, so you'll need to deal with slight loss in your flying ability. Thanks a BUNCH Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
padu 0 #12 November 19, 2008 Quote... and a max 217 mph+ (In a track, and in a head down body position)... If that's your fall rate in a track, you need serious instruction on how to track.Una volta che avrete imparato a Volare, camminerete sulla terra guardando il cielo perchè è là che siete stati ed è là che vorrete tornare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #13 November 19, 2008 Quote Quote Quote Why not ask the jumpers that have a faster fall rate to buy a suit that has excess material under the arm pits to the waist. Hey guys, since I'm unable to learn to pick up the fall rate, would each of you spend between $300 and $500 on a new suit you'll wear just when you jump with me? It'll need some excess flapping material, so you'll need to deal with slight loss in your flying ability. Thanks a BUNCH you might think it's LOL, I think he was being an asshole to someone just trying to help ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,625 #14 November 20, 2008 QuoteQuote... and a max 217 mph+ (In a track, and in a head down body position)... If that's your fall rate in a track, you need serious instruction on how to track. Maybe you need to re-read his post. While his sentence structure was a little awkward, his meaning was clear.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
padu 0 #15 November 20, 2008 Well I see a comma... so I understood as two different events... the track and the head down. For me, a track is a maneuver that you use to reach maximum horizontal speed with minimum vertical speed... but maybe that's the old school thought. If he meant a head down track.... and such thing exists, then I misunderstood him.Una volta che avrete imparato a Volare, camminerete sulla terra guardando il cielo perchè è là che siete stati ed è là che vorrete tornare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #16 November 20, 2008 Quote you might think it's LOL, I think he was being an asshole to someone just trying to help I condiser this a personal attack, and your sarcasm is not apreciated;. Your the one that's being an asshole, you freaking wanker. If the original poster did not want suggestions, then the topic should never have been brought up. By the way, the suit i was referring to costs me a whole $75.00 right here in the classifieds on DZ.COM. It's in great condition as well. If i were you, and thank God i'm not i'd be just a little more careful before you start with the sarcastic crap. It's a small world. Quote I think he was being an asshole to someone just trying to help I know you are being an asshole to someone just trying to help.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #17 November 20, 2008 QuoteIf he meant a head down track.... and such thing exists, then I misunderstood him. You seriously misunderstood me. That's what most people do when they are hasty to judge others. Most people are critical of others just to make them selves feel better about their own selves.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
padu 0 #18 November 20, 2008 Care to explain yourself then?Una volta che avrete imparato a Volare, camminerete sulla terra guardando il cielo perchè è là che siete stati ed è là che vorrete tornare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 November 20, 2008 He was either jumping in on my self mockery, or he (wrongly) thinks I was talking about him (rw - I was calling myself names just for the heck of it). I can see how it was misread. that damn rehmwa, he's such a poor communicator - I can't stand that guy ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #20 November 20, 2008 Yeah, asshole, you should apologize to rwider ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsaxton 0 #21 November 20, 2008 The current thinking for 4way/8way is: The fastest person sets the fall rate. Everyone else wears lead to match. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,625 #22 November 21, 2008 QuoteYeah, asshole, you should apologize to rwider Have you noticed that "rehmwa" almost rhymes with "wanker"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #23 November 21, 2008 QuoteQuoteYeah, asshole, you should apologize to rwider Have you noticed that "rehmwa" almost rhymes with "wanker"? That wacky British language.... What's it called? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keithbar 1 #24 November 29, 2008 you heard him. it's not my fault damn it. everyone else pack on the leadi have on occasion been accused of pulling low . My response. Naw I wasn't low I'm just such a big guy I look closer than I really am . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
