mfnren 0 #1 November 12, 2005 I was wondering the aspect ratio # means?(example, 2.58) And ,hypothetically,how a wing with a ratio of say 2.5, compares to one with a ratio of 2.65? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #2 November 12, 2005 Hope this helps.... Quote Individual canopies can be described in terms of wing shape, trim and loading. The designer determines the first two, the jumper the latter. Choices on these items determine the way a particular parachute flies, so without even jumping a canopy you can deduce to a great extent how it will fly if you understand these features. Wing shape is defined by aspect ratio and airfoil section. Aspect ratio is the ratio between span (side to side width) and chord (front to back.) Airfoil section can be thought of as the ratio of the wing's height to it's chord. Trim is adjusting the particular wing shape to the apparent wind to gain the best compromise in performance characteristics. And wing loading is the choice of how much power the pilot decides to give to the system. Aspect Ratio In theory, high aspect ratio canopies fly faster because the higher the aspect ratio, the lower the form drag for the amount of lift produced. In other words, a 200 square foot nine cell produces more lift than a 200 square foot seven cell for the same amount of form drag. Why not build a 200 square foot eleven cell at a very high aspect ratio? clicky (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #3 November 13, 2005 The formula is: aspect ratio = span^2/area For a rectangular planform, this reduces to: aspect ratio = span/chord"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b1jercat 0 #4 November 13, 2005 I'll post when I'm sober, I have some questions. blue jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #5 November 13, 2005 Why not build a 200 square foot eleven cell at a very high aspect ratio? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because the extra drag caused by the extra suspension lines cancells out any reduction in wingtip vortex drag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #6 November 13, 2005 QuoteWhy not build a 200 square foot eleven cell at a very high aspect ratio? They did. It was called the AR11, and I think they tended to open like shit. I believe they were only in production for a year or two. I'm sure companies other than Aerodyne have tried it too. I remember Icarus had a prototype 11 cell (or 33 cell if you want) cross-braced canopy a couple years ago that never went to production. Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #7 November 13, 2005 Well, my paraglider is about 247 sq ft, has 53 cells and an aspect ratio of about 3.9, flies at upto 45km.p.h (ish)...... O.K so the lines weren't built to take opening shock (so are thin).... but she flies like a dream....... Sorry, what was the issue? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #8 November 13, 2005 There are some very thin lines out there (HMA) that will handle the opening shock. That's not the problem. Trying to get 53 cells to inflate evenly and systematically so one side of the canopy doesn't spin itself around the other side is the problem. And 45 km/h is not particularily fast by skydive canopy standards. For skydiving applications, either 7 or 9 cells in various sub-cell configurations seems to be the magic number for deployment reliability and flight performance. Canuck Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #9 November 13, 2005 QuoteThere are some very thin lines out there (HMA) that will handle the opening shock. That's not the problem. Trying to get 53 cells to inflate evenly and systematically so one side of the canopy doesn't spin itself around the other side is the problem. i think the problem with hma's on that kind of wing is the UV exposure also. i would love to watch someone deploy one of those paragliders at terminal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #10 November 14, 2005 <> - In a mag' recently, I saw someone d-bag a PG from a plane .. BUT not Terminal.... (I'll try to find a link.....)... He also had a slider fitted!! (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pendragon 1 #11 November 14, 2005 Yeah, guys have done d-bag type deployments out of helicopters, balloons - even off another paraglider I think. Good DVD I caught once - Acro-BASE, which had all that stuff in it. Problem with deploying high-aspect ratio wings is that they have a greater tendancy to cravat, which is obviously bad. Haven't seen the slider deployment you mention; sounds great! -- BASE #1182 Muff #3573 PFI #52; UK WSI #13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #12 November 14, 2005 Here y'go .... I knew that I'd posted it before .....clicky (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites