cyberskydive 0 #1 March 1, 2001 Just saw/noticed them yesterday, you know the ones with the little pin, and the eccess line wrops around the back of the riser and stows in elastic. Anyone have em? What do ya think??D.Chisolm C-28534[email protected]http://www.sunraydesigns.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #2 March 2, 2001 Love them to pieces. Biggest plus is that there's no velcro to wear out. I've never had one come loose._Am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberskydive 0 #3 March 2, 2001 Seems to be the general consensus-LOLD.Chisolm C-28534[email protected]http://www.sunraydesigns.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #4 March 4, 2001 Hi there,Yeah, velcroless toggles are the way to go for low maintenance. One small point, if you're going to do CReW then velcro toggles are better - that way you can stick them on your risers while docking so you don't have a loose toggle that could catch on other kit.Mike D10270. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cacophony 0 #5 March 6, 2001 I just got my brand new Vector 3 this past weekend© I got it with velcroless toggles© Freakin' awesome! Definately way better than velcro© Safe landings,Alex C-30872 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattb 0 #6 March 7, 2001 I demoed a Wings container last weekend that had velcroless toggles. I liked them - not a big difference to me but it's one less thing that gets dirty.-mb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #7 March 7, 2001 Just be careful when stowing your brakes. (The excess line that you can "S-fold" under the velcro.) This method doesn't work too well with the velcroless toggles and you could end up with a mal. Ask a rigger for the best method.There's a few different ways to do it.Matt- what did you think of the Wings container? I just bought one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #8 March 7, 2001 My rig has no velcro for the toggle handles, Just a tab that gets inserted into a slot on the risers. No problems. I've talked to riggers etc. and they say to just stow the slack (only about 10 inches) loosely in there (i.e., you don't need to wrap it around anything or lash it down with anything). I have been doing this & have had no problems, and neither did the rig's previous owner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattb 0 #9 March 8, 2001 Tigra - I liked the Wings container. Which is a good thing - I bought one! The reason I was able to demo the same rig all day was the fact mine is behind schedule in shipping. I've only jumped rental gear so it's unfair to say the Wings is better than XXX. I can tell you that articulated harnesses are far more comfortable than student javelins! I picked the Wings because of numerous reccomendations from around my DZ, the fact it is very freefly friendly, and I got a great deal on it. I can't wait for mine to come and will post a review in the gear section once I put a 10 or 20 jumps on it.-mb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberskydive 0 #10 March 9, 2001 The relatrive workshop velcroless have a small pin attached to the back of the toggle that hold it in place, the eccess line gets stowed around the back of the riser with 2 elastic stows, everyone I have talked to say that these work great! So unlike the ones mentioned above the eccess line is well out of the way, and not just folded under the velcroless tab.D.Chisolm C-28534[email protected]http://www.sunraydesigns.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cacophony 0 #11 March 9, 2001 2 elastic stows? Mine don't have 2 elastic stows© Are you sure this isn't just something that the person added to their convience? I just got mine straight from RW unmodified© Just wondering©Safe landings,Alex C-30872 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alan 1 #12 March 10, 2001 When I assemble my main onto the slinks/links, I just slip a couple of small rubber bands (same as for line stows) over my risers, above the toggles. Just s fold the excess brake line under the rubber band.alan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyberskydive 0 #13 March 12, 2001 Quite possibly the elastic was aded after the fact, the guys rig who I saw them on is after all a rigger, but he loves it and it seems to work super duper!D.Chisolm C-28534[email protected]http://www.sunraydesigns.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #14 March 12, 2001 All this discussion on where(how) to stow your excess brake line and I can not offer any advice. I don't even stow mine. c Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cacophony 0 #15 March 13, 2001 Sorry, I'm retarded© There is elsatic stows on my risers© I don't use them though© They seem like more of a hassle than just tucking the extra line into the side riser covers© Just make sure that you have the pin pushed in all the way© I had a few openings this past weekend where one brake was unstowed© Real easy to fix, it just took me a sec© to figure out what was going on©Safe landings,Alex C-30872 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #16 March 13, 2001 Better get in the habit of making sure your brakes are set properly now before you downsize. Having a brake unstowed on opening can be a very dangerous ordeal. Having a few in one weekend clearly indicates that you are doing something wrong. Even one in a weekend would indicate that you are doing something wrong. I am not sure what you mean by tucking into your riser covers as I have know idea what kind of rig you are jumping, but it is clearly a bad idea. Like you said, you are retarded. It's not your fault. C Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #17 March 13, 2001 Alex-If you had a brake unstow on opening, you opened off heading in a turn, with a canopy you could not fully control. This is a potentially very dangerous situation.Please, talk to a rigger or packer about setting your brakes properly so they stay stowed until you want them and then unstow with little effort. There are a few different ways to do it. It sounds like your riser covers are catching on the excess line as your canopy opens, and that is not cool.Be safe!Edited by tigra on 3/13/01 03:47 PM. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbooth 10 #18 August 23, 2004 There is no elastic used on Relative Workshop's Tru-Lock toggle system. Elastic wears out, just like Velcro does, and therefore can't be used as part of a toggle system designed to hold as firmly on jump # 1,000 as on jump # 1. There are two tape loops as part of the line stowage system, but they are not elastic. A word of advice: Improperly stowed, or non-stowed excess brake line contributed to 3 fatalities that I know about last year. So please...Don't jump a toggle system with no provision for brake line stowage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #19 August 23, 2004 Quotetoggle system designed to hold as firmly on jump # 1,000 as on jump # 1. So we can put 1000 jumps on your risers then??? type 17 even?? Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbooth 10 #20 August 23, 2004 Actually, you got me. Type 17 risers usually don't last 1,000 jumps. But if they did, I'd bet the Tru-Lock toggles would probably still be working fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #21 August 23, 2004 How do you know when it's time to replace your Type 17 risers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver30960 0 #22 August 24, 2004 Any plans for velcroless toggle setups on Sigma systems? I've been jumping the Sigma for about four months now and LOVING every minute of it with the single exception of the velcro toggles. Thanks for the info... Elvisio "meat ferryman" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #23 August 24, 2004 many factors but with a VX at 2.2:1 I go with 500 jumps - which was posted earlier...... rm http://dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=553742;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;guest=6733017 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billbooth 10 #24 August 24, 2004 Plans? Yes. Results? No. It's the length of the toggles that's the problem. Nothing yet works as well as Velcro in this application. You just have to take care to stow your toggles right after landing, so that the Velcro doesn't chew everything up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,394 #25 August 25, 2004 Just an FYI; Here are the packing instructions for them: http://www.relativeworkshop.com/support/support_sport.html Click on "TruLock Risers - Stowage of Excess Lines", (PDF file). I have them on three rigs, and have never had a problem in ~600 jumps."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
