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I had a round reserve in all of my first three rigs. Landed a Phanton 22 once.
Unstable 8
In Comparison to a Modern Square reserve, how often do the round canopies malfunction? Do any of those old round reserve use anti-inversion nets??
Does anybody still make a round reserve?
Does anybody still make a round reserve?
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mejade 0
Your poll doesn't have the option of just saying "yes I have a round reserve". For me, it doesn't matter - I am focusing on buying a lightning and am not worried about my round. I've had 2 reserve jumps on it already. An AMAZING guy at my dz is planning to do a "Canopy Transfer" with my round. :) Will deply the main then deploy the reserve. With 2 out, he will cut away and because there will be no tension, he will manually release the 3 rings!! Pretty Cool eh!? So with a round for students starting to use 2 point - there is less worry about them deploying the reserve BEFORE cut-away ~ true?
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In Comparison to a Modern Square reserve, how often do the round canopies malfunction? Do any of those old round reserve use anti-inversion nets??
Does anybody still make a round reserve?
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Round canopies have a much higher inherent malfunction rate (see Poynter's manual Volume 1, section 8.1.15 for details. Even though diapers vastly reduce that malfunction rate, rounds are still a long way from perfect. The light-weight construction permitted under the low-speed category of TSO C23B did not stand up to the high speed openings of many 1980s skydivers.
Back in the 1980s, GQ Security of Great Britain certified a round reserve with anti-inversion netting, but because it was significantly bulkier, they never sold very many.
A few companies (Free Flight Enterprises, National, North American Aerodynamics, Strong Enterprises, etc.) still make round reserves, but the vast majority of their customers stuff them into pilot emergency parachutes.
The leading manufacturer of pilot emergency (TSO C23D higher speed) round canopies (Butler) refuses to sell to skydivers. Hee! Hee!
On a similar note, many major skydiving equipment dealers (i.e. Square One) flatly refuse to have anything to do with round canopies.
My personal experience with round canopies is limited to my first 70 sport jumps and a few military jumps on rounds. I have deployed three round reserves and sold my last round reserve in 1985.
My last ride on a round reserve was so bad that I missed a country the size of Germany! You could not GIVE me another round reserve!
wmw999 2,150
QuoteI wonder if some folks realize that there were round canopy Accuracy Gold Medalists?
Yeah, but the target was bigger
And for those who say "well duh," yes, it was bigger. It was 10 cm across instead of 5.
Wendy W.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
pchapman 262
I still do jump a rig with a round reserve about a quarter of the time.
It's in my old, 2nd rig. Until 2002 it was my only rig, for my first 500+ jumps. It's great to have a spare old rig! (for busy days, CRW, trashing, Bridge Day, Birdman, whatever)
I think skydivers often reach a certain comfort level with the the risks associated with their sport when they are first getting serious in the sport. Every safety innovation that comes into practice later on may be considered nice, but not essential. No Cypres? Round reserve? Some jumpers who started in the 1980s might have no problem borrowing a rig like that for a weekend, while the proportion of jumpers who began in the mid 1990s who would think the same thing, would be a lot lower.
Some of the difference is due to different assumptions of risk, and some is just due to different levels of familiarity with how to use the older equipment safely.
I have had one ride on that round reserve, going backwards in winds that were 15-18mph on the anemometer. A little scary given a few obstacles about? Sure. But it got me down safe. The Phantom 24 hadn't been used by me or previous owners in the 18 years since it was built ... until I took up CRW.
I'm glad to have the square in my newer, smaller rig, but have no problems jumping the round. Local issues affect ones choices too. I'd probably be less happy jumping with a round reserve if I were at a DZ surrounded by housing developments instead of open fields and a few small wooded areas.
It's in my old, 2nd rig. Until 2002 it was my only rig, for my first 500+ jumps. It's great to have a spare old rig! (for busy days, CRW, trashing, Bridge Day, Birdman, whatever)
I think skydivers often reach a certain comfort level with the the risks associated with their sport when they are first getting serious in the sport. Every safety innovation that comes into practice later on may be considered nice, but not essential. No Cypres? Round reserve? Some jumpers who started in the 1980s might have no problem borrowing a rig like that for a weekend, while the proportion of jumpers who began in the mid 1990s who would think the same thing, would be a lot lower.
Some of the difference is due to different assumptions of risk, and some is just due to different levels of familiarity with how to use the older equipment safely.
I have had one ride on that round reserve, going backwards in winds that were 15-18mph on the anemometer. A little scary given a few obstacles about? Sure. But it got me down safe. The Phantom 24 hadn't been used by me or previous owners in the 18 years since it was built ... until I took up CRW.
I'm glad to have the square in my newer, smaller rig, but have no problems jumping the round. Local issues affect ones choices too. I'd probably be less happy jumping with a round reserve if I were at a DZ surrounded by housing developments instead of open fields and a few small wooded areas.
None of the available answers is appropriate. I have jumped with a round reserve, our student gear does not have them, I have jumped them in conjunction with a square main, but I do not do it even occasionally any more.
A visiting jumper at Pitt Meadows will be accommodated, but other than that round parachutes are not permitted.
A visiting jumper at Pitt Meadows will be accommodated, but other than that round parachutes are not permitted.
mikeat10500 10
Poll=none of the above.
Only own one rig...for most jumps a square would do just fine or better than my round...but if things really got out of control...like trailing enough shit above your head(ie: a Cessna door) to rule out safely flying anything...I like my lopo 26.
Squares fly...rounds descend...2 different creatures.
If figure, on every jump I try to use a square first...and if that don't work...change up!
4 jumps on same lopo 26,first 3 landed on the DZ...last one in the swamp...go figure.
cons...I can't swoop it!!!
Only own one rig...for most jumps a square would do just fine or better than my round...but if things really got out of control...like trailing enough shit above your head(ie: a Cessna door) to rule out safely flying anything...I like my lopo 26.
Squares fly...rounds descend...2 different creatures.
If figure, on every jump I try to use a square first...and if that don't work...change up!
4 jumps on same lopo 26,first 3 landed on the DZ...last one in the swamp...go figure.
cons...I can't swoop it!!!
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Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1
Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists.
Mike Wheadon B-3715,HEMP#1
Higher Expectations for Modern Parachutists.
I wonder if some folks realize that there were round canopy Accuracy Gold Medalists?
Course, you had to be good at spotting and canopy control.
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