Squeak 17 #76 September 30, 2005 1800' FOR FIRST EXIT i WAS 3RD SO JUST UNDER 1800', i had the PC out within 1 sec off the step of the 182You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LawnDart21 0 #77 September 30, 2005 Quotebut I just don't feel ready to push my limits on low hop n pops yet. There is absolutely positively nothing wrong with that. The more you pack and the more you jump, the better you come to understand you gear. Warning: This next statement is gonna sound hoky: "The more you jump and pack, the more you will understand the limitations and functionality of your gear. Eventually (like Skymonkeyone illustrated in an above post) you will feel comfortable and confident in matching your gear to your jump." Thats when getting out really low wont seem like such a big leap (no pun intended....lol). It will happen in time, mostly subconsciously. I say just keep jumping with a smile and eventually you may find yourself on a strut under 2000ft........... -- My other ride is a RESERVE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimemerson 7 #78 September 30, 2005 Couldn't agreee with you more. In fact, it was the very jump that taught me about airspeed. That was maybe 15 years ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #79 September 30, 2005 QuoteI do not know how I in perticular would respond to a "JUMP OUT NOW" (what our pilot would say) if it was done at 1500 ft, but I think I would be the first out, since I do have plane issues which over ride the low jump issue. I hope you've since learned how you would respond since you could very well have an emergency exit. Know your gear. One canopy's hard deck is different from another's. On my CRW Lightning, I'd take my main on anything above 1000, on my Nitron 135, no lower than 1600, anything lower and I'm going on my reserve."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
itllclear 1 #80 October 2, 2005 About 1,500 from a helicopter at night over a drag strip for a demo. I could hear the PA system while I was in freefall. Wasn't really that scary -- had the light turned off on my altimeter. Micahel told me "Turn off the light on your altimeter. It will only scare you.""Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treeman 0 #81 October 2, 2005 u really do this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
itllclear 1 #82 October 2, 2005 Quoteu really do this? It was in 1979. In my younger and stupider days. By the way, it was with a single keep Paradactyl with a new type hand deploy."Harry, why did you land all the way out there? Nobody else landed out there." "Your statement answered your question." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjames 2 #83 October 2, 2005 800~900 ft T10 water jump z-hills "exit fast, fly smooth, dock soft and smile" 'nother james Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #84 October 3, 2005 Launched a two-way from 2,400' from the Sikorsky at Rantoul in '04. Dumb. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cobaltdan 0 #85 October 3, 2005 your main is not really a life saving device, your reserve is. you can not have one piece of equipment that works best in all situations: e.g. if you freefly at 160-180mph and deploy at 120-140 then it is logical to want a parachute that can deploy at those speeds without inflicting too high a force to your body. it is far more likely that you will deploy at a high speed than a sub 2000' jump. e.g. premature deployment at freefly speeds, or loss of altitude awareness in a freefly jump resulting in not significantly slowing down before deploying. basic physics: the only way to not increase the opening force when deploying at a higher speed is to slow down the opening. its all about force vs. time. so for me, freeflying, i chose a canopy that consistantly takes 800' to open. the instance of a very low hop and pop or a low pull with a long opening canopy such as a cobalt or onyx should not be an issue: first you can speed the canopy opening up instantly by pulling the rear risers slightly, this will cause the canopy (and many other types of canopies) to instantly transition from sniveling to 'pop' slider down and open. second, when jumping a long opening canopy part of your emergency procedures that you drill into your head should be is it time for main or reserve. this was drummed into my head when still a novice by adrian nicols. if you are below your hard deck altitude for your main: go reserve. this is what your reserve is designed for, to open fast and save in an emergency situation. bailing or pulling below faa guidlines is an emergency situation. sincerely,Daniel Preston <><> atairaerodynamics.com (sport) atairaerospace.com (military) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bozo 0 #86 October 4, 2005 Flying Elvis Demo , Aurora Illinois, Fox River Casino midday......clouds rolled in...the crowd on the ground was awesome......I went out at 1500 feet with the tail of the Twin Bo in the clouds. Hey.....it was a money thing :o) bozo Outlaw # 81 bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #87 October 4, 2005 Quote>I've seen a 3 point 3 way (with piece turn) chunked out of a cessna at 2000ft. Posers! We turned 7 points in a 4 way from 4000. Agreed! Back when I used to really like four-way (late '80s/early '90s), if the weather was crappy we would do "ten from two" days (ten jumps from two grand), chunking exits from the C-182 and going through the first set (or until we got scared!). Lovely jumps under hard and fast-opening mains. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 36 #88 October 4, 2005 Remember, D license USPA recommended minimum PACK OPENING altitude is 2000'. At this altitude at terminal you have 10 to 12 seconds to the ground. Exiting at 2000' it takes 10 to 12 seconds to get to 1000'. Also when exiting you have 70 mph plus horizontal speed. This airspeed allows your canopy to open partially or completely during mainly horizontal travel. Also, most of us that have talked about getting out low weren't doing it on these newer canopies that take 800' to decide if they're a streamer or want to open. My current canopies and most all that I've jumped open normally in around 300'. I demoed a Spectre when they first came out in 1997. I made two hop and pops from 2000' due to clouds and 2 terminal deployments from 5000'. They all took 800' to open. You know your low when you hear flatline on your timeout. I decided to buy a Sabre. I want to be able to get out at 2000'.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OATSF14 0 #89 October 5, 2005 ~1000 FT. Tequila involved during a weather hold. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bch7773 0 #90 October 6, 2005 ~1800 feet on a low cloud day. what was funny is that 2 people on the load (outta 4 in a C182) told us they were gonna stay in the plane since they wanted at least 2k. after i open, i turn around and both are deployed behind me. They later tell me, "well we didn't want to be the pussies riding the plane down" MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beezyshaw 0 #91 October 6, 2005 I'm still in the lead with my 500 ft h&p under a Monarch. One guy talked about military static lines from 300, but the poll asks about hop & pops. So, what do I win? I know, I know, dumbass of the year award Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
