recovercrachead 0 #1 September 1, 2006 She bought a rig in 2003 with a res and cypres. Rig was made in 2000. She a Aff instructor who is still working at the ranch said that everything is from 2000. The res was current and I new the rigger so she didn't open it. Then my wife had a bun in the oven so she stopped jumping. Now Im trying to sell the rig and I looked at the cypres and its from 96. I looked at the card and there is a line through the date of the cypres that said 2000. Im not sure but when we looked at the rig there was no line. She paid 2200 for the G3. Im going to have some words with but shes a nice person and I hope she makes good.Track high, Pull LOW!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #2 September 1, 2006 Yeah,,right, she'll make good alright,,,smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
recovercrachead 0 #3 September 1, 2006 QuoteYeah,,right, she'll make good alright,,, or I will just bad mouth her for the differenceTrack high, Pull LOW!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #4 September 1, 2006 So .... so far what you "know" is that the Cypres is older than what the seller told you it was. Do you have any reason to suspect the other components were not accurately described when you bought them? Are you going to indepenently verify the age of the components before you try to sell them to someone else and/or before you accuse the seller or badmouth her publicly? If the gear was misrepresented to you, that sucks, but there's got to be some responsibility on the part of the buyer to verify what you're buying, particularly in the case of something like a Cypres where the age of the component has a direct impact on its useful life and its value."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #5 September 1, 2006 You paid $2200 for a G3, Reserve and at that time a 7 year old cypres and assumed you had a 3 year old, that still is not a bad price for a container in great shape. The Reserve was worth 700-800, the container was worth 800-1200 and a 7 year old Cypres is worth $400-500. No matter what in 2004 it needed shipped out and sent for a 4/8 year, why didn't you discover this then? You had 3 years to look at this and just got around to doing it. Your out of luck at this point. Know thy gear... it will save your life.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
recovercrachead 0 #6 September 1, 2006 QuoteSo .... so far what you "know" is that the Cypres is older than what the seller told you it was. Do you have any reason to suspect the other components were not accurately described when you bought them? Are you going to indepenently verify the age of the components before you try to sell them to someone else and/or before you accuse the seller or badmouth her publicly? If the gear was misrepresented to you, that sucks, but there's got to be some responsibility on the part of the buyer to verify what you're buying, particularly in the case of something like a Cypres where the age of the component has a direct impact on its useful life and its value. Lets see im trying to sell the rig that was bought in 2003 and was jumped about 20 times because of the bun in the oven. Everything is open now because I think it might be a couple days past the repack and I can see the factor labels because I dont want to fuck anyone. So does the seller and rigger with packing card have a responsibilityTrack high, Pull LOW!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
recovercrachead 0 #7 September 1, 2006 Dude it was my wifes and she was having my son "the bun" and she stopped jumping. And you know about woman when it comes to value and taking care of things. Know your gear when jumping yes it will save you life but when your not know your gear so someone isn't fucking you too. I guess that the lesson.Track high, Pull LOW!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #8 September 1, 2006 Caveat EmptorMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #9 September 1, 2006 You bought the rig 3 years ago and let you wife jump without knowing what it was? I would say this is the worst case of "buyer beware" I have ever seen. My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernguru 0 #10 September 1, 2006 QuoteShe bought a rig in 2003 with a res and cypres. Rig was made in 2000. She a Aff instructor who is still working at the ranch said that everything is from 2000. The res was current and I new the rigger so she didn't open it. Then my wife had a bun in the oven so she stopped jumping. Now Im trying to sell the rig and I looked at the cypres and its from 96. I looked at the card and there is a line through the date of the cypres that said 2000. Im not sure but when we looked at the rig there was no line. She paid 2200 for the G3. Im going to have some words with but shes a nice person and I hope she makes good. You said that she's an AFF Instructor so obviously she's done a bit of jumping herself. Why did she not make all the required checks? Are you causing shit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mostly_Harmless 0 #11 September 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteShe bought a rig in 2003 with a res and cypres. Rig was made in 2000. She a Aff instructor who is still working at the ranch said that everything is from 2000. The res was current and I new the rigger so she didn't open it. Then my wife had a bun in the oven so she stopped jumping. Now Im trying to sell the rig and I looked at the cypres and its from 96. I looked at the card and there is a line through the date of the cypres that said 2000. Im not sure but when we looked at the rig there was no line. She paid 2200 for the G3. Im going to have some words with but shes a nice person and I hope she makes good. You said that she's an AFF Instructor so obviously she's done a bit of jumping herself. Why did she not make all the required checks? Are you causing shit? I think he means that the person who sold it to her is an AFF Instructor._________________________________________ www.myspace.com/termvelocity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #12 September 1, 2006 Dude, I'm sorry. Call me a hard-ass but I just have no sympathy for you. And even less for anyone who jumped it not knowing what they were jumping...several adjectives come to mind and "stupid" is just one of them.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bozo 0 #13 September 1, 2006 QuoteDude, I'm sorry. Call me a hard-ass Hard ass ! bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #14 September 1, 2006 Guilty as charged. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 0 #15 September 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteShe bought a rig in 2003 with a res and cypres. Rig was made in 2000. She a Aff instructor who is still working at the ranch said that everything is from 2000. The res was current and I new the rigger so she didn't open it. Then my wife had a bun in the oven so she stopped jumping. Now Im trying to sell the rig and I looked at the cypres and its from 96. I looked at the card and there is a line through the date of the cypres that said 2000. Im not sure but when we looked at the rig there was no line. She paid 2200 for the G3. Im going to have some words with but shes a nice person and I hope she makes good. You said that she's an AFF Instructor so obviously she's done a bit of jumping herself. Why did she not make all the required checks? Are you causing shit? I think he means that the person who sold it to her is an AFF Instructor. Upon reading your post, and then re-reading the original post a fifth time, I think you're right. But until I did, I, too, thought he was...trying...to say his wife was an AFFI. Not an unreasonable interpretation of "She bought a rig in 2003 with a res and cypres. Rig was made in 2000. She a Aff instructor". I also at first though he was trying to say "I am the new rigger"; but now I realize he was trying to say, "I knew the rigger". (Not directed at you:) Sometimes a lack of understanding isn't the reader's fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 0 #16 September 1, 2006 Oh, BTW - I agree with everyone else: - Caveat emptor. - Check and double-check new gear before you jump it. - Triple-check new gear before letting someone you love jump it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites recovercrachead 0 #17 September 2, 2006 The only rigger who packed this rig was the same rigger who pack mine and my wifes rigs for years. Hes the only rigger that packs my friends rigs at the time. The rig was current. The date on the res card of the cypres was false. The battery was fine. Its a fucked up. Please tell me what was unsafe about this. I guess you skydive in a very dangerous place and were just crazy. Nothing was unsafe about the rig.Track high, Pull LOW!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites scotts 0 #18 September 2, 2006 Since your profile is empty, I can't answer you. But these questions must be asked of people who have the knowledge to answer them. And I don't have the answers, only the questions. 1) Is it required that the rigger actually check the DOM of an AAD on each repack? Or do they go by what's on the data card? 2) Who is responsible for putting the DOM of the AAD on the data card? The rigger or someone else? Now a question for you. Evidently, you trusted this rigger with both yours and your wifes gear for some time. I would think that they would have kept an eye out for expirations on anything that would have come about. DON'T YOU? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #19 September 2, 2006 Quote....Please tell me what was unsafe about this... Well since you need it spelled out for you... You didn't find out about any proplem until 3 years after the fact which means you didn't have it opened and fully inspected in the first place. You obviously just went by whatever was on any "cards" instead of having it fully inspected. A full inspection should have been done even if you knew the last rigger. In reality, you didn't have a clue on how "safe" the rig and its components really were. Does that help?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites recovercrachead 0 #20 September 2, 2006 Your so right a cypres that is from 96 is very dangerous than those from early years.Track high, Pull LOW!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 0 #21 September 2, 2006 <> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #22 September 2, 2006 QuoteYour so right a cypres that is from 96 is very dangerous than those from early years. So, what else might the rigger have missed?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites recovercrachead 0 #23 September 2, 2006 Thats it were all going to die we cant trust riggers now.Track high, Pull LOW!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cocheese 0 #24 September 3, 2006 There ain't no rigger like the one i got. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 3 #25 September 3, 2006 QuoteThats it were all going to die we cant trust riggers now. You are blaming the person that sold you the rig because you did not check what it was you bought before you bought the damn thing. Attached is a partial list of the things I check when I do a repack or an inspection for a customer buying a rig. 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popsjumper 2 #14 September 1, 2006 Guilty as charged. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #15 September 1, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteShe bought a rig in 2003 with a res and cypres. Rig was made in 2000. She a Aff instructor who is still working at the ranch said that everything is from 2000. The res was current and I new the rigger so she didn't open it. Then my wife had a bun in the oven so she stopped jumping. Now Im trying to sell the rig and I looked at the cypres and its from 96. I looked at the card and there is a line through the date of the cypres that said 2000. Im not sure but when we looked at the rig there was no line. She paid 2200 for the G3. Im going to have some words with but shes a nice person and I hope she makes good. You said that she's an AFF Instructor so obviously she's done a bit of jumping herself. Why did she not make all the required checks? Are you causing shit? I think he means that the person who sold it to her is an AFF Instructor. Upon reading your post, and then re-reading the original post a fifth time, I think you're right. But until I did, I, too, thought he was...trying...to say his wife was an AFFI. Not an unreasonable interpretation of "She bought a rig in 2003 with a res and cypres. Rig was made in 2000. She a Aff instructor". I also at first though he was trying to say "I am the new rigger"; but now I realize he was trying to say, "I knew the rigger". (Not directed at you:) Sometimes a lack of understanding isn't the reader's fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #16 September 1, 2006 Oh, BTW - I agree with everyone else: - Caveat emptor. - Check and double-check new gear before you jump it. - Triple-check new gear before letting someone you love jump it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
recovercrachead 0 #17 September 2, 2006 The only rigger who packed this rig was the same rigger who pack mine and my wifes rigs for years. Hes the only rigger that packs my friends rigs at the time. The rig was current. The date on the res card of the cypres was false. The battery was fine. Its a fucked up. Please tell me what was unsafe about this. I guess you skydive in a very dangerous place and were just crazy. Nothing was unsafe about the rig.Track high, Pull LOW!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scotts 0 #18 September 2, 2006 Since your profile is empty, I can't answer you. But these questions must be asked of people who have the knowledge to answer them. And I don't have the answers, only the questions. 1) Is it required that the rigger actually check the DOM of an AAD on each repack? Or do they go by what's on the data card? 2) Who is responsible for putting the DOM of the AAD on the data card? The rigger or someone else? Now a question for you. Evidently, you trusted this rigger with both yours and your wifes gear for some time. I would think that they would have kept an eye out for expirations on anything that would have come about. DON'T YOU? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #19 September 2, 2006 Quote....Please tell me what was unsafe about this... Well since you need it spelled out for you... You didn't find out about any proplem until 3 years after the fact which means you didn't have it opened and fully inspected in the first place. You obviously just went by whatever was on any "cards" instead of having it fully inspected. A full inspection should have been done even if you knew the last rigger. In reality, you didn't have a clue on how "safe" the rig and its components really were. Does that help?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
recovercrachead 0 #20 September 2, 2006 Your so right a cypres that is from 96 is very dangerous than those from early years.Track high, Pull LOW!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #22 September 2, 2006 QuoteYour so right a cypres that is from 96 is very dangerous than those from early years. So, what else might the rigger have missed?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
recovercrachead 0 #23 September 2, 2006 Thats it were all going to die we cant trust riggers now.Track high, Pull LOW!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #24 September 3, 2006 There ain't no rigger like the one i got. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #25 September 3, 2006 QuoteThats it were all going to die we cant trust riggers now. You are blaming the person that sold you the rig because you did not check what it was you bought before you bought the damn thing. Attached is a partial list of the things I check when I do a repack or an inspection for a customer buying a rig. The information is not taken off the PDC it is confirmed from the individual components.My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
