falxori 0 #1 May 29, 2005 take a look at the attached picture. now please tell me (if you can), what are the lines marked with the red arrow doing there, instead of going straight through the slider? the only thing i can think of is a line over, but afaik, that wasn't the case. any ideas? thanks O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #2 May 29, 2005 Are you sure all of you lines go through the slider? If yes, it could be a tension knot, the line goes up to the canopy, knots, then back down to the slider, then back up to the canopy. Interesting opening. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #3 May 29, 2005 QuoteAre you sure all of you lines go through the slider? could some lines NOT go through the slider? i dont remember seeing a canopy with lines that don't go through the slider... O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #4 May 29, 2005 I've gotta go with Hook on this one. That line is definitely snagged / knotted on something. It looks like it's hung on the stabilizer. Sometimes it clears, other times it's a cutaway. Your canopy's color pattern looks like PD's stock pattern 0, and all the sport (non-tandem) PD canopies I know of have all their lines run through the slider. In fact, looking at the pic again, I can kind of see where the line angles back and hits the slider again after the snag.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #5 May 29, 2005 Kinda like to see that on the ground too..! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #6 May 29, 2005 its a katana, and its not mine. if it was i would have known the end of this deployment O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #7 May 29, 2005 Quotecould some lines NOT go through the slider? Sure. They are supposed to go through the slider, but I have seen lines accidently not routed throught a slider grommet. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #8 May 29, 2005 That looks similar to my first tandem chop, although for me it was the control lines and a couple of D-lines...aka, a whicked tension knot. Those are fun, huh? So did the jumper (or you if it was you) pop the lines and get it to clear or was it totally done?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #9 May 29, 2005 That looks a lot like my sabre2 when it needs a reline. Canopy fabric sometimes gets caught in the slider grommets (due to some lines being shorter than others). The lines that are close to orginal length have a lot of slack in them and bow out below the slider and flap around above the slider. The lines that bow out do not look like they go through the slider like those in the picture. Next time yoy pack and suspend the canopy over your shoulder check where the slider stops when you slide it into place, If you have fabric coming out of the grommet, get your rigger to check the line length. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LearningTOfly 0 #10 May 30, 2005 Quote They are supposed to go through the slider, but I have seen lines accidently not routed throught a slider grommet. Please tell me this error was caught in the packing ritual... not after opening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #11 May 30, 2005 QuotePlease tell me this error was caught in the packing ritual... not after opening. Nope, discovered after opening. (Wasn't me.) Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LearningTOfly 0 #12 May 30, 2005 Gah, packers these days... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #13 May 30, 2005 QuoteQuotecould some lines NOT go through the slider? Sure. They are supposed to go through the slider, but I have seen lines accidently not routed throught a slider grommet. Derek Reminds me of a cutaway I had..... spin!> ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mixoligist 0 #14 May 30, 2005 QuoteGah, packers these days... pack your own gear and rethink that statement.................................. Better you than me .................................. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #15 May 31, 2005 looks to me like a video capture from interlaced video. The line was there at some point in time,. Video captures sometimes show some wierd things. Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flow 1 #16 May 31, 2005 Just like speedy said, lines do often some weird things during the opening.. Watching them frame by frame, you see some funky stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #17 June 1, 2005 Just looks like one line snagged a poker chip while opening. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Falko 0 #18 June 1, 2005 Quotelooks to me like a video capture from interlaced video. The line was there at some point in time,. Video captures sometimes show some wierd things. Yup, agreed! To the OP: Go get the original DV material and use VirtualDub to discard one field of the video frame (or use Gunnars Smooth Deinterlace filter). Ich betrachte die Religion als Krankheit, als Quelle unnennbaren Elends für die menschliche Rasse. (Bertrand Russell, engl. Philosoph, 1872-1970) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #19 June 1, 2005 QuoteTo the OP: Go get the original DV material ... its not my video and all i have is that pic, but i've seen several other still captures with a similar effect, so i tend to agree that its normal (either a temporary line thing or a simple video mirage) thanks for your input O "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #20 June 1, 2005 Looking more carefully at the picture, you can see the line go above the slider and then bend back toward the slider grommet. The line definitely goes through the grommet. Also note how the right tail of the canopy is almost pinched at the grommet. Something has hung the slider and some of the lines at or near the grommet, but the other three corners appear to be ok. It is a tension knot or the slider stuck either on a line or the corner of the canopy. Just to make sure, examine the lines and make sure there are no wear points, pull points on the line (bumps where line material has pulled up), burrs on the grommet. If the lines are ok, check the line length to see if shrinkage has occurred. If you don't find anything, it must have been a tension knot. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #21 June 2, 2005 QuoteJust looks like one line snagged a poker chip while opening. that's what i was thinking.... ..If you mean the pieces sewn inside the canopy to serve as a stop for the slider grommets when pulling UP against the canopy during packing... Could a line have double wrapped one of those 'chips' ? maybe... It might have held on just long enough for this visual....and then cleared....?? I second the suggestion by GravityGirl.. that's what it lookes like to me... Can anyone verify where those stops.. might be.... in the design of this canopy???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el_chester 4 #22 June 12, 2005 A friend had a similar thing happen to him on a Katana 107 (and has pics which I will ask him to post here). As I recall, the picture was somewhat similar to the one that started this thread. Basically one line from more or less the middle of the parachute went first to the stabilizer, then through the slider to the riser. The only way he was able to re-create it on the ground was to have a line wrap around one of the "poker chips". -- Be careful giving advice. Wise men don't need it, and fools won't heed it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livenletfly 0 #23 June 14, 2005 your packer is NOT your mom bro. your responsible for maintaining your gear not a packer! its alot easier to miss than you are thinking. careful about saying something judgmental with very little expierience or time in the sport. trust me better skydivers than you and me have made bigger mistakes. it happens. stick around you'll see.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #24 June 15, 2005 Quoteyour packer is NOT your mom bro. Nope, I'm guessing you are Packers shouldn't miss that. For 5 bucks for 5 minutes, they damn well better do a line check. Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livenletfly 0 #25 June 17, 2005 whether the packer caught it or not isnt relevant. who's responcible for their gear? not some guy getting paid 5 bucks. you think 5 bucks buys you the same care and concern for your life as you should have? maybe in some utopian society, but this is the real world. so having 20 jumps and blaming that on packers is not the attitude to have. thats my point. ive seen mains hooked up backwards by riggers, an altimeter closed in the container, risers hooked up incorrectly . all by skydivers that are heads up but slipped for just one second. thats all it takes. the same pattern that causes you to lock your keys in the car, it happens. dont pin. come on bro, its your gear, and YOU should know that.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
