Trump vs Hitler

[BIGUN 1,082]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

And there is nothing specifically Nazi about Trump.  His platform does not contain the word "socialist" in the title, for example.  But there are a great many parallels in how Trump and Hitler came to power.

I have to agree with TK on this point. Taking a broad stroke labeling approach only serves to create emotion and loses an opportunity to educate. "Nazi" just turns into a camel spitting contest. 

[jakee 1,262]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

I have to agree with TK on this point. Taking a broad stroke labeling approach only serves to create emotion and loses an opportunity to educate. "Nazi" just turns into a camel spitting contest. 

What exactly are you agreeing with though?

Nothing about this thread involved calling anyone a Nazi.

[gowlerk 1,937]

15 minutes ago, jakee said:

What exactly are you agreeing with though?

Nothing about this thread involved calling anyone a Nazi.

The combination of nationalism, isolationism, the taint of racism, misuse of religion, showmanship and above all populism all are factors that Trump has combined into his own unprecedented formula for just enough success to gain power through exploiting the flaws in the American federal system. It is hard to compare him to any of the 20th century figures being alluded to here. I feel that he is uniquely American and an entrepreneur and of course narcissist of the first order. Two things stand out to me marking him as very different. His age for one. He is far too old to ever become a dictator like those being spoken of. But more importantly, he does not really have an overarching agenda he wants to accomplish. Other than of course to accumulate money and power. 

The real danger is not Trump. It is the forces that he may unleash that will follow him into the future. Trump is not disciplined enough or smart enough to really lead. He merely reinforces the worst in his supporters that is already present. 

[billvon 2,442]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

 "Nazi" just turns into a camel spitting contest. 

Then don't use that term. 

There are parallels between their rises to power.  There are also similiarities against other authoritarians rising to power.  Studying them can avoid future threats to our country.

Those who do not study history are destined to repeat it - and "it can't happen here" has never been true no matter how heartfelt the sentiment.

[wmw999 2,155]

32 minutes ago, jakee said:

What exactly are you agreeing with though?

Nothing about this thread involved calling anyone a Nazi.

Just using the term, even if descriptive of how power was gained rather than as descriptive of the actual policies, heightens the emotion. People conflate them; it’s kind of like saying “oh, you have a terrible combover, just like Trump.” People (well, liberals at least) will take that as being far more pejorative than the words say.

Even if the techniques are, in fact, similar, or the combover is, in fact, awful  

Wendy P. 

[billvon 2,442]

3 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

The real danger is not Trump. It is the forces that he may unleash that will follow him into the future. 

Well, that's the future potential danger.

The real problem isn't the authoritarian - it's the populace that supports dicatorships as long as said dictatorships do what they want.  And that's the problem that is also hardest to solve.

[BIGUN 1,082]

45 minutes ago, jakee said:

Nothing about this thread involved calling anyone a Nazi.

I didn't say that. Analogies or comparisons that relate to Hitler are known as Nazi analogies or Nazi comparisons. It's inflammatory and becomes a perpetual camel spitting contest - even if you don't say Nazi.  

Association is a verbal communication technique that links a message to something that a person already does or does not value, does or does not trust, likes or dislikes, such as a concept, person, brand, or benefit. It's most common in persuasive communications and plays on emotions, rather than facts. 

[gowlerk 1,937]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

I didn't say that. Analogies or comparisons that relate to Hitler are known as Nazi analogies or Nazi comparisons. It's inflammatory and becomes a perpetual camel spitting contest - even if you don't say Nazi.  

Association is a verbal communication technique that links a message to something that a person already does or does not value, does or does not trust, likes or dislikes, such as a concept, person, brand, or benefit. It's most common in persuasive communications and plays on emotions, rather than facts. 

Like a dog whistle?

[BIGUN 1,082]

2 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Like a dog whistle?

Somewhat.  

[jakee 1,262]

19 hours ago, BIGUN said:

I didn't say that. Analogies or comparisons that relate to Hitler are known as Nazi analogies or Nazi comparisons. It's inflammatory and becomes a perpetual camel spitting contest - even if you don't say Nazi.  

Association is a verbal communication technique that links a message to something that a person already does or does not value, does or does not trust, likes or dislikes, such as a concept, person, brand, or benefit. It's most common in persuasive communications and plays on emotions, rather than facts. 

Although in this case, ironically, it is the people receiving the communication who are being too emotional to pay attention to the facts.

Edited May 4 by jakee

[winsor 187]

23 hours ago, BIGUN said:

I didn't say that. Analogies or comparisons that relate to Hitler are known as Nazi analogies or Nazi comparisons. It's inflammatory and becomes a perpetual camel spitting contest - even if you don't say Nazi.  

Association is a verbal communication technique that links a message to something that a person already does or does not value, does or does not trust, likes or dislikes, such as a concept, person, brand, or benefit. It's most common in persuasive communications and plays on emotions, rather than facts. 

Godwin's law applies nicely here.

I can only guess what was the basis of this thread, thanks to the magic of the kill file.

The Doctrine of Fascism was penned by Benito Mussolini, with whom our last president has much more in common than with the Corporal from Austria.

The appeal of totalitarian government in Europe between the wars was largely a function of the excesses of Marxists of various persuasions. The Catholic Church underwrote the regimes in both Rome and Berlin in support of the perceived lesser two evils.  Since the Church is still extent, they made the historically accurate choice.

In the US of A, the batshit craziness of the Progressives makes finding any survivable alternative worthy of consideration, if not if outright support.  Trump's selling point is that, thought he may be a toxic lunatic, he's not quite as bad as the idiots on the left (a tough call to make).  The brain dead protesters on campus rather support that stance.

Thus the upcoming election is akin to chemotherapy - a toxin that kills you 50% and the cancer 90%, in the hope that what's left of you can defeat what's left of the cancer.

Going by historical precedent, after running the numbers it appears we're pushing Stage 4, so it might not make much difference when all is said and done.

 

BSBD,

Winsor

[jakee 1,262]

50 minutes ago, winsor said:

In the US of A, the batshit craziness of the Progressives makes finding any survivable alternative worthy of consideration, if not if outright support.  Trump's selling point is that, thought he may be a toxic lunatic, he's not quite as bad as the idiots on the left (a tough call to make). 

What's the betting that Winsor won't identify a single thing that makes any current democrat politician worse than Trump?

Of course he doesn't have anything, he's just going to vote for Trump anyway because he's like Mussolini.

[wmw999 2,155]

Im sorry, but you’re killfiling Billvon? Dang

Wendy P. 

[winsor 187]

10 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Im sorry, but you’re killfiling Billvon? Dang

Wendy P. 

Yeah, I killfiled him long ago after I reached my limit of snark and abuse.  Abysmal SNR.

Given the tendency for breakthrough, I just skip any AFLAC input.

[richravizza 25]

17 minutes ago, winsor said:

Yeah, I killfiled him long ago after I reached my limit of snark and abuse.  Abysmal SNR.

Given the tendency for breakthrough, I just skip any AFLAC input.

  Bravo Sir, Being technical deficient would you PM me.

33 minutes ago, jakee said:

What's the betting that Winsor won't identify a single thing that makes any current democrat politician worse than Trump?

Of course he doesn't have anything, he's just going to vote for Trump anyway because he's like Mussolini.

That's the ticket, and when he wins you'll have to do what Conservatives did for 0bama's second term.Trust in the Constitution. LOL

Let's come Back from the Future,there's enough Jew hatred to go around right now.

Let's Go! Genocide Joe.

[billvon 2,442]

8 minutes ago, richravizza said:

That's the ticket, and when he wins you'll have to do what Conservatives did for 0bama's second term.Trust in the Constitution. LOL

Trump has stated he will "terminate" the Constitution.  LOL

[billvon 2,442]

55 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Im sorry, but you’re killfiling Billvon?

I fully endorse killfiling people that cause Winsor (or anyone really) cognitive dissonance.

With the ability to create media bubbles these days, it can be painful and confusing to hear other opinions.  So killfiling is a great option to prevent intrusion of other points of view into that carefully curated bubble.  (As long as they keep away from banning books, that is.)

[JoeWeber 2,332]

6 minutes ago, billvon said:

(As long as they keep away from banning books, that is.)

Are you sure killfiling isn't close enough these days?

[JoeWeber 2,332]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

I fully endorse killfiling people that cause Winsor (or anyone really) cognitive dissonance.

I've suspected I'm on Winsor's killfile for some time. Knowing now that you are a recipient sort of makes it a badge of honor. Is there some way we can make it public who is banning us? Maybe a thumbs down unlike button and another scoreboard number? That would be totally cool.

[winsor 187]

2 hours ago, richravizza said:

  Bravo Sir, Being technical deficient would you PM me.

That's the ticket, and when he wins you'll have to do what Conservatives did for 0bama's second term.Trust in the Constitution. LOL

Let's come Back from the Future,there's enough Jew hatred to go around right now.

Let's Go! Genocide Joe.

Your video seems to have disappeared.

These guys cut to the chase.

 

[winsor 187]

Just now, winsor said:

 

 

[JoeWeber 2,332]

4 minutes ago, winsor said:

 

Now that's a twist. You're on your killfile list? You are keen, that's for sure.

[richravizza 25]

6 hours ago, billvon said:

Trump has stated he will "terminate" the Constitution.  LOL

 

6 hours ago, billvon said:

I fully endorse killfiling people that cause Winsor (or anyone really) cognitive dissonance.

With the ability to create media bubbles these days, it can be painful and confusing to hear other opinions.  So killfiling is a great option to prevent intrusion of other points of view into that carefully curated bubble.  (As long as they keep away from banning books, that is.)

 

[richravizza 25]

"Totalitarianism comes in two flavors"

[richravizza 25]

18 hours ago, billvon said:

Trump has stated he will "terminate" the Constitution.  LOL

I 'll agree with your premise,removing the First and Second Amendments seems to be right up your ally, relax it just might workout for the totalitarian Left.