kallend 1,853 #1 Posted October 3, 2021 Interesting idea - that if you have a sincerely held rational objection to a law that is clearly based on religion, you should be able to claim an exemption:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/29/we-need-exemptions-from-religious-laws/ 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,571 #2 October 3, 2021 "Some Catholics around the country are claiming religious exemption to the vaccine, because there's nothing more Catholic than letting someone else die for your sins." -- Colin Jost, doing "Weekend Update", on SNL last night 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,480 #3 October 3, 2021 It mentions the "Sunday Laws" in the article. I know LOTS of folks who'd like to be able to buy alcohol on Sunday in certain places. Wisconsin isn't one of those places, but we do have the law that car dealerships have to be closed on Sunday. I don't disagree with the idea that used car salesmen are slimeballs who are an offense to God, but I don't like the idea that that "God" can close down a business on a particular day. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Westerly 61 #4 October 3, 2021 (edited) There should be no religious exceptions for anything under any circumstance. Everyone has an equal right to practice their religion so while you have every right to believe in a specific religious belief, others have an exactly equivalent right to refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of that belief. Edited October 3, 2021 by Westerly 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,304 #5 October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Westerly said: There should be no religious exceptions for anything under any circumstance. Everyone has an equal right to practice their religion so while you have every right to believe in a specific religious belief, others have an exactly equivalent right to refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of that belief. Hi Westerly, I could not agree more. Jerry Baumchen PS) What's next; some dufus saying his religion does not allow him to be incarcerated? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 299 #6 October 4, 2021 The Satanic Temple is a religious organization formed specifically to advocate on political issues for atheists/humanists. We have the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) and others willing to file legal challenges based on Constitutional and case law, but ST is able to apply a religious justification -- fighting fire with fire, so to speak. On the issue of reproductive autonomy, the ST claims the Texas law violates the tenants of their religion, which includes reproductive autonomy, including all medical procedures, as a foundation. They also describe a ceremony to help prepare for terminating a pregnancy. The religious ceremony serves to support and counsel through the decision process, and if necessary, through the medical procedure spiritually and emotionally strong. Yeah, the name (Satanic Temple) is usually met with mockery, but their tenants by which they argue these cases on religious grounds sounds quite reasonable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,571 #7 October 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, TriGirl said: The Satanic Temple is a religious organization formed specifically to advocate on political issues for atheists/humanists. I just learned to my surprise that the organization is only 9 years old: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Temple Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 299 #8 October 4, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ryoder said: I just learned to my surprise that the organization is only 9 years old: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Temple It's understandable to get them confused with Church of Satan, which has been around much longer. Edited October 4, 2021 by TriGirl typo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CygnusX-1 42 #9 October 4, 2021 16 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said: PS) What's next; some dufus saying his religion does not allow him to be incarcerated? If someone honestly believes that God told them to do it - say kill the gays in that night club. Then of course he should not be prosecuted due to religious beliefs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #10 October 4, 2021 32 minutes ago, CygnusX-1 said: If someone honestly believes that God told them to do it - say kill the gays in that night club. Then of course he should not be prosecuted due to religious beliefs. Just following Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 613 #11 October 4, 2021 20 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said: It mentions the "Sunday Laws" in the article. I know LOTS of folks who'd like to be able to buy alcohol on Sunday in certain places. Wisconsin isn't one of those places, but we do have the law that car dealerships have to be closed on Sunday. I don't disagree with the idea that used car salesmen are slimeballs who are an offense to God, but I don't like the idea that that "God" can close down a business on a particular day. Everyone deserves at least one day of rest per week. Whether you sleep late in your bed or on a church pew is your decision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 299 #12 October 13, 2021 (edited) On 10/4/2021 at 1:12 PM, riggerrob said: Everyone deserves at least one day of rest per week. Whether you sleep late in your bed or on a church pew is your decision. But why is someone else deciding which day I must take my rest? Edited October 13, 2021 by TriGirl grammar 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,613 #13 October 13, 2021 1 minute ago, TriGirl said: But why is someone else deciding which day I choose to take my rest? Christ only knows. It's not like we're in the military, right? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 299 #14 October 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: Christ only knows. It's not like we're in the military, right? Even I let my subordinates (now that I have some here) choose which days they want to telework or take a day off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,613 #15 October 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, TriGirl said: Even I let my subordinates (now that I have some here) choose which days they want to telework or take a day off. Glad to know flex time has come to the Marines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 299 #16 October 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: Glad to know flex time has come to the Marines. To be fair, I'm in a diplomatic post, where we have issues every single day. Plus, I'm the only Marine. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,099 #17 October 14, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 12:24 AM, TriGirl said: To be fair, I'm in a diplomatic post, where we have issues every single day. Plus, I'm the only Marine. Didn't Chesty Puller suggest that a diplomatic Marine was an oxymoron? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,480 #18 October 14, 2021 29 minutes ago, Phil1111 said: Didn't Chesty Puller suggest that a diplomatic Marine was an oxymoron? She said she's in a diplomatic post, not that she's a diplomat. Ya gotta remember that Marines are the standard security force in all the embassies & diplomatic missions around the world. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,613 #19 October 15, 2021 On 10/12/2021 at 11:24 PM, TriGirl said: To be fair, I'm in a diplomatic post, where we have issues every single day. Plus, I'm the only Marine. I don't doubt that one of you is sufficient. But if you are the only Marine, how does it work that you have subordinates? I mean, we have 13 nuclear powered aircraft carrier battle groups. Can we not afford to give you a few privates? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 299 #20 October 20, 2021 (edited) On 10/15/2021 at 7:50 AM, wolfriverjoe said: On 10/15/2021 at 7:19 AM, Phil1111 said: Didn't Chesty Puller suggest that a diplomatic Marine was an oxymoron? She said she's in a diplomatic post, not that she's a diplomat. I am a diplomat. I'm the defense attaché. (Now I have to stop posting my political opinions here, since now you all know). Edited October 20, 2021 by TriGirl removing the excess info Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 299 #21 October 20, 2021 On 10/15/2021 at 11:58 AM, JoeWeber said: I don't doubt that one of you is sufficient. But if you are the only Marine, how does it work that you have subordinates? My Operations Coordinator is an Air Force MSgt. My Operations Assistant is a DoD civilian (as is the A/DATT, though that is currently vacant). My new Security Cooperation Officer is an Army major, who will eventually get a Navy E6 or E7 as his own OpsCo. We are fully purple here. On 10/15/2021 at 7:50 AM, wolfriverjoe said: Ya gotta remember that Marines are the standard security force in all the embassies & diplomatic missions around the world. The Marine security guard program falls under the authority of the regional security officer (RSO), not the defense attaché. Officers associated with the MCESG are regional commanders. Just wanted to clear that up. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,613 #22 October 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, TriGirl said: My Operations Coordinator is an Air Force MSgt. My Operations Assistant is a DoD civilian (as is the A/DATT, though that is currently vacant). My new Security Cooperation Officer is an Army major, who will eventually get a Navy E6 or E7 as his own OpsCo. We are fully purple here. The Marine security guard program falls under the authority of the regional security officer (RSO), not the defense attaché. Officers associated with the MCESG are regional commanders. Just wanted to clear that up. :) OK, thanks. Now when will you be back to take over here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 299 #23 October 20, 2021 27 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: OK, thanks. Now when will you be back to take over here? December. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites