jaybird18c 4 #51 December 29, 2020 The model for marriage was established in Genesis 2. Procreation being one of the reasons. That's possible with Adam and Eve. It's not possible with Adam and Steve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,351 #52 December 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, jaybird18c said: The model for marriage was established in Genesis 2. Procreation being one of the reasons. That's possible with Adam and Eve. It's not possible with Adam and Steve. YOUR model. You keep forgetting or ignoring that not everyone believes the same as you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,329 #53 December 29, 2020 39 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said: YOUR model. You keep forgetting or ignoring that not everyone believes the same as you. Relax, Joe. Now and again Jaybird pops out of nowhere and shortly later goes back to la-la land. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #54 December 29, 2020 55 minutes ago, jaybird18c said: The model for marriage was established in Genesis 2. Procreation being one of the reasons. That's possible with Adam and Eve. It's not possible with Adam and Steve. But it is possible with Andi and Eve. Sperm is easy to come by. So does that mean that Jesus is OK with lesbians but not gay men? It would not be the strangest misread to come out of the Bible camp. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,351 #55 December 29, 2020 Just now, billvon said: But it is possible with Andi and Eve. Sperm is easy to come by. So does that mean that Jesus is OK with lesbians but not gay men? It would not be the strangest misread to come out of the Bible camp. Well, the Bible does say that for a man to lay with a man is an abomination. I'm not aware of it saying anything about a woman laying with another woman, either for or against. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 150 #56 December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, billvon said: But it is possible with Andi and Eve. Sperm is easy to come by. So does that mean that Jesus is OK with lesbians but not gay men? It would not be the strangest misread to come out of the Bible camp. this is the funniest video I’ve ever seen about how some people apply the bible. Not sure if the link works being age restricted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 776 #57 December 30, 2020 The Loving Farms bit was hilarious...This is my favourite...there's an amazing cast and it hits on a lot of levels...I can't believe it's over 10 years old! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,649 #58 December 30, 2020 7 hours ago, jaybird18c said: Marriage is heterosexual as defined by God. Which one? There are some 4,000 to choose from. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,929 #59 December 30, 2020 6 hours ago, jaybird18c said: The model for marriage was established in Genesis 2. Procreation being one of the reasons. That's possible with Adam and Eve. It's not possible with Adam and Steve. She told me that book is a misprint that got away from the printers by accident. She's okay with any sex at all between consenting adults. So stop repressing, go find a guy to experiment with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #60 December 30, 2020 7 hours ago, jaybird18c said: The model for marriage was established in Genesis 2 Why should anyone give a rat's ass about what the bible says? It's biggest stories (creation in six days, noahs ark, the exodus, etc) are easily disproven nonsense. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,329 #61 December 30, 2020 5 hours ago, tonyhays said: Why should anyone give a rat's ass about what the bible says? It's biggest stories (creation in six days, noahs ark, the exodus, etc) are easily disproven nonsense. By comparison, believing the presidential election was rigged, stolen and plagued by so much fraud that subverting the very constitution you fought for was reasonable would barely fire a synapse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 4 #62 December 30, 2020 12 hours ago, tonyhays said: Why should anyone give a rat's ass about what the bible says? It's biggest stories (creation in six days, noahs ark, the exodus, etc) are easily disproven nonsense. Because apart from it you have no hope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 4 #63 December 30, 2020 19 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said: YOUR model. You keep forgetting or ignoring that not everyone believes the same as Truth exists apart from belief. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,649 #64 December 30, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, jaybird18c said: Truth exists apart from belief. Yes. You need to learn to separate your belief in a magical invisible sky zombie from what is testably true. Edited December 30, 2020 by kallend Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,351 #65 December 30, 2020 53 minutes ago, jaybird18c said: Truth exists apart from belief. Correct. Just because you believe something doesn't make it true. 1 hour ago, jaybird18c said: Because apart from it you have no hope. Hope for what? "Eternal life"? Going to heaven? Being saved from 'eternal damnation'? Or simply the reality that death is the end of life? It's absolutely amazing the lengths and depths of insanity people will go to in order to escape that. 9 minutes ago, kallend said: Yes. You need to learn to separate your beliefs from what is testably and objectively true. Not gonna happen. Jay has claimed that there's 'a preponderance of evidence' for the existence of God. Yet, when asked to produce even one shred of this claimed 'evidence', he either falls back on the Bible, or is silent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #66 December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, jaybird18c said: Truth exists apart from belief. True dat. And gay marriage is both legal and normal in the US no matter what you believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,929 #67 December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, jaybird18c said: Because apart from it you have no hope. And that is a great thing that you do not understand. Just because you would have no hope, does not mean I or anyone else would have no hope. Your faith tradition is far from the only one. I am full of hope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 4 #68 December 30, 2020 17 minutes ago, gowlerk said: And that is a great thing that you do not understand. Just because you would have no hope, does not mean I or anyone else would have no hope. Your faith tradition is far from the only one. I am full of hope. Oh, I understand that you have hope. Hope in yourself. And your hope will eventually die with you. I, on the other hand, place my hope in someone who defeated death, one who sustains me in this life and will carry my through to the next, one who interceeds between God and me, one who paid my debt in full, one who loves me, and one with whom I will spend eternity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,929 #69 December 30, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, jaybird18c said: Oh, I understand that you have hope. Hope in yourself. And your hope will eventually die with you. I, on the other hand, place my hope in someone who defeated death, one who sustains me in this life and will carry my through to the next, one who interceeds between God and me, one who paid my debt in full, one who loves me, and one with whom I will spend eternity. And I understand your fantasy. I was actually raised in the same fantasy. The point is you need the fantasy in order to have hope and to live a life of hope. I on the other hand have a full rich and satisfying life without the fantasy. Edited December 30, 2020 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 4 #70 December 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, gowlerk said: And I understand your fantasy. I was actually raised in the same fantasy. The point is you need the fantasy in order to have hope and to live a life of hope. I on the other hand have a full rich and satisfying life without the fantasy. Hope in yourself. Until it's over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,929 #71 December 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, jaybird18c said: Hope in yourself. Until it's over. Amen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,329 #72 December 31, 2020 2 hours ago, jaybird18c said: someone who defeated death I thought he croaked on the cross and daddy defeated his death. Not so? While we're on to history that was not reported by prolific historians of the time, like Josephus, didn't Jesus ask his father to forgive his tormentors? I don't recall anywhere where Jesus on the cross forgave anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 4 #73 December 31, 2020 2 hours ago, JoeWeber said: I don't recall anywhere where Jesus on the cross forgave anyone. And "you" probably won't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,329 #74 December 31, 2020 8 hours ago, jaybird18c said: And "you" probably won't. Wasn't it "forgive them father for they know not what they do?". That doesn't sound like he personally forgave them which I thought was, and is, his whole schtick. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 4 #75 December 31, 2020 1 hour ago, JoeWeber said: Wasn't it "forgive them father for they know not what they do?". That doesn't sound like he personally forgave them which I thought was, and is, his whole schtick. Jesus also declared "It is finished" just before he died. The greek word he used was an accounting term meaning paid in full. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
