Voting vs Mail-In Ballots

[kallend 1,623]

With the technology available 76 years ago and adding machines, the USA (with a lot of help from its allies) created the nuclear weapons that ended WW2.

With the technology available 50 years ago and computers with much less power than my cellphone, the USA sent men to the Moon and back.

Don't tell me that America can't make mail-in voting work.

[JerryBaumchen 1,048]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

With the technology available 76 years ago and adding machines, the USA (with a lot of help from its allies) created the nuclear weapons that ended WW2.

With the technology available 50 years ago and computers with much less power than my cellphone, the USA sent men to the Moon and back.

Don't tell me that America can't make mail-in voting work.

Hi John,

I am very sure that you & I both know that is not a case of 'cant.'  It is a case of 'do not want to.'

Hmm, I wonder why?

Jerry Baumchen

[SkyDekker 1,122]

5 hours ago, BIGUN said:

I have to be honest with you. I'm not sure how this is or going to work. Primarily, I don't recall any President changing their residence mid-stream. On that matter, I'm not sure any sitting President could pass the teddy bear test.  

I am not sure what you are trying to say here.

How it works is that if you supposedly care about voter fraud and tax fraud you should be very upset about a president committing both.

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

6 hours ago, BIGUN said:

I have to be honest with you. I'm not sure how this is or going to work. Primarily, I don't recall any President changing their residence mid-stream. On that matter, I'm not sure any sitting President could pass the teddy bear test.  

What does any of that have to do with the fact that Trump is committing Tax Fraud, and likely voter fraud, and violating a legally binding agreement?

On 5/27/2020 at 5:45 PM, SkyDekker said:

All while the small issue that Trump committed Voter Fraud and Tax Fraud with his mail in ballot in Florida doesn't get addressed.

 

23 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Which is a problem. Cause Mar-a-Lago cannot be used as a primary residence as per an agreement between trump and the State of Florida when he went through his casino bankruptcies.

 

By doing so, he committed both voter fraud and tax fraud.

Forbes article that doesn't really mention the voter fraud:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2020/05/08/could-donald-trumps-dock-battle-with-mar-a-lago-neighbors-cost-him-millions-in-new-york-taxes/#74dc1cb470cf

1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

I am not sure what you are trying to say here.

How it works is that if you supposedly care about voter fraud and tax fraud you should be very upset about a president committing both.

He's changing the subject.

Addressing a point that has nothing to do with the original claim of tax & voter fraud. 
Standard tactic of Trump supporters. 

I find it absolutely disgusting that the Rs are using claims of 'voter fraud' to disenfranchise so many people, while the majority of the fraud I know about was committed by...

Republicans.

Latest one was a mail carrier who changed mail in ballots. 
And got caught.

[JerryBaumchen 1,048]

6 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

I find it absolutely disgusting that the Rs are using claims of 'voter fraud' to disenfranchise so many people, while the majority of the fraud I know about was committed by...

Republicans.

Hi Joe,

I find it disgusting if anyone does it. 

Such as in Texas:  'He also said that his office would prosecute people for voter fraud if they use a mail-in ballot in a matter he said is improper.'

It Texas it seems to be only improper if it lets more people vote.

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/29/864143739/texas-voters-are-caught-in-the-middle-of-a-battle-over-mail-in-voting

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  My question still is:  What are they afraid of?

 

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

Losing.

ID requirements mainly affect the poor. Elderly & minorities who are least likely to have ID in the first place and the hardest time getting it. And are more likely to vote D.

Georgia stopped thousands from voting and likely gave the governor's office to the R candidate.

They've been caught on tape saying (more or less) if everyone could vote, there's no way they could win. 

[gowlerk 1,912]

7 hours ago, kallend said:

Don't tell me that America can't make mail-in voting work.

Silly Americans. America can not ever make mail-in voting work because America does not have elections. Only States have elections. The only election America holds is the one where the Electoral College meets. I suppose THAT could be made into a mail -in.

[BIGUN 1,053]

15 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

He's changing the subject.

Addressing a point that has nothing to do with the original claim of tax & voter fraud. 
Standard tactic of Trump supporters. 

I find it absolutely disgusting that the Rs are using claims of 'voter fraud' to disenfranchise so many people, while the majority of the fraud I know about was committed by...

Republicans.

Latest one was a mail carrier who changed mail in ballots. 
And got caught.

I'm not changing the subject: I acknowledged it and have no knowledge of it, don't know how or if it was committed, so no input. Ummm, you do know I was the one who posted the article about the postal worker, right? There's enough poop on both sides. 

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

11 hours ago, BIGUN said:

I'm not changing the subject: I acknowledged it and have no knowledge of it, don't know how or if it was committed, so no input. Ummm, you do know I was the one who posted the article about the postal worker, right? There's enough poop on both sides. 

I don't see anywhere that you acknowleged the claim that Trump's change of residence to Florida was likely in violation of several laws.
You simply mentioned that he's likely the first president to do so mid-term (which may be true). 

It's always been pretty clear that the president maintains a residence other than the White House. 
Trump seems to be the first one to try tax fraud while in office based on moving it.

 

And as far as 'poop on both sides', you are aware that the Rs are committing voter fraud and disenfranchisement at a much higher level than the Ds, right?
North Carolina, Voter ID in lots of places, Georgia voter roll purges, and more.

[gowlerk 1,912]

12 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

And as far as 'poop on both sides', you are aware that the Rs are committing voter fraud and disenfranchisement at a much higher level than the Ds, right?

I don't believe either party has committed large scale or organized voter fraud. But the Rs have had operatives in the past little while doing some of that. And they do have what amounts to an official policy of doing everything they can to suppress voting as much as they can get away with. 

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

Just now, gowlerk said:

I don't believe either party has committed large scale or organized voter fraud. But the Rs have had operatives in the past little while doing some of that. And they do have what amounts to an official policy of doing everything they can to suppress voting as much as they can get away with. 

What I was meaning was more along the lines that local voter fraud seems to happen more by Rs than Ds.

Not that there is large scale, organized fraud.

The 'large scale' stuff is disenfranchisement via Voter ID laws and voter roll purges. 
Also, gerrymandering to tilt the odds in their favor (PA is a good example of this).

[gowlerk 1,912]

9 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

The 'large scale' stuff is disenfranchisement via Voter ID laws and voter roll purges. 

Yup. And that is some serious "poop" right there if you are a true believer in democracy.

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

Yup. One of the bigger reasons that I will never vote "R" again in my life, despite nearly 30 years of doing so.

[ryoder 1,384]

 

[Phil1111 910]

On 5/30/2020 at 4:03 PM, gowlerk said:

I don't believe either party has committed large scale or organized voter fraud. But the Rs have had operatives in the past little while doing some of that. And they do have what amounts to an official policy of doing everything they can to suppress voting as much as they can get away with. 

You're 100 percent wrong. Fraud is the use of deception to steal something of value.

Republican Voter Suppression Efforts Are Targeting Minorities

Take It From Me, Voter Fraud Is Part of the G.O.P. Playbook

The court ban on Republican Party voter-fraud operations was imposed in 1982, and then modified in 1986 and again in 1990, each time after courts found instances of Republicans intimidating or working to exclude minority voters in the name of preventing fraud. The party was found to have violated it yet again in 2004.

With a combination of gerrymandering, voter-ID laws and dark money, Republicans have tipped the political scales in their favor.

[gowlerk 1,912]

36 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

You're 100 percent wrong. Fraud is the use of deception to steal something of value.

Republican Voter Suppression Efforts Are Targeting Minorities

Take It From Me, Voter Fraud Is Part of the G.O.P. Playbook

The court ban on Republican Party voter-fraud operations was imposed in 1982, and then modified in 1986 and again in 1990, each time after courts found instances of Republicans intimidating or working to exclude minority voters in the name of preventing fraud. The party was found to have violated it yet again in 2004.

With a combination of gerrymandering, voter-ID laws and dark money, Republicans have tipped the political scales in their favor.

MMMM...... I would say you are confusing election fraud with voter fraud. If you are going to split hairs.

[turtlespeed 212]

I wish there was a secure, reliable way to vote via ANY other means than personally showing up at the polls.

There are much more meaningful ways to spend our money on research right now though.

[BIGUN 1,053]

On 5/30/2020 at 5:23 PM, wolfriverjoe said:

One of the bigger reasons that I will never vote "R" again in my life, despite nearly 30 years of doing so.

We appreciate that.