Cohen

[billvon 2,400]

>I have read more about President Trump here in the SC than anywhere else.

So all the "backchannel chatter" you heard about Trump wasn't really a thing?

OK. Well, the "front channel" information I got from the New Yorkers I worked and live with was that he was a buffoon, and that his successes mainly had to do with his cult of personality and his lack of morality. Nothing I have seen subsequent to that has caused me to question that.

>My support for him comes not from what I have read but from the change in the American
>spirit that he brings.

You mean the rise in white supremacist violence and mass shootings? The desire to tear families apart and put kids in cages?

I guess you support different things than I do.

[winsor 186]

billvon

>I have read more about President Trump here in the SC than anywhere else.

So all the "backchannel chatter" you heard about Trump wasn't really a thing?

OK. Well, the "front channel" information I got from the New Yorkers I worked and live with was that he was a buffoon, and that his successes mainly had to do with his cult of personality and his lack of morality. Nothing I have seen subsequent to that has caused me to question that.

>My support for him comes not from what I have read but from the change in the American
>spirit that he brings.

You mean the rise in white supremacist violence and mass shootings? The desire to tear families apart and put kids in cages?

I guess you support different things than I do.

The support that changed politics in Spain in the '20s and '30s was, to some extent, motivated more by repudiation of Communists than by adherence to Franco and his generals. Regardless of how fucked up the Fascists were, the Communists, Socialists and Anarchists were just that much worse.

I know it is/was fashionable to criticize the Franco regime, but it is worthwhile to note that Spain sent zero troops to be slaughtered in the war that swept Europe.

When I was in Spain under Franco, there was much with which I was (privately) critical. Having said that, many things became significantly worse after his demise.

In exactly the same sense that Franco sucked but was MUCH better than the Communists, Trump sucks out loud but is a vast improvement over Democrats.

I admit that it would be nice to have someone competent, but anyone who is qualified for the job would have nothing to do with it.


BSBD,

Winsor

[RonD1120 58]

GeorgiaDon

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I have read more about President Trump here in the SC than anywhere else. My support for him comes not from what I have read but from the change in the American spirit that he brings.

I thought it came from his anti-immigration promises.Part and parcel of the same thing.
Trump-led changes in the American spirit:
1. Hatred of brown-skinned people.
2. Hatred of immigrants.
3. Hatred of the poor (except when you need them for votes).
4. Hatred of the educated.
5. Hatred of anyone with a history of health problems.
6. Hatred of anyone with a gender identity other than traditional male or female.
7. Hatred of anyone with a sexual identity other than "straight".
8. Contempt for clean air and water.
9. Contempt for free speech.
10. Contempt for judicial institutions.
11. Contempt for our descendants (i.e. sticking them with a crippling national debt, and a fouled planet.
12. Contempt for anyone in the world who was not born a rich white American.
13. Contempt for the US's history as a world leader.
14. Hatred of anyone who is not an evangelical Christian.

I'm sure I've missed a couple of things, but that will do for a start.

Don

I will not own any of the above.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[ibx 2]

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Part and parcel of the same thing.
Trump-led changes in the American spirit:
1. Hatred of brown-skinned people.
2. Hatred of immigrants.
3. Hatred of the poor (except when you need them for votes).
4. Hatred of the educated.
5. Hatred of anyone with a history of health problems.
6. Hatred of anyone with a gender identity other than traditional male or female.
7. Hatred of anyone with a sexual identity other than "straight".
8. Contempt for clean air and water.
9. Contempt for free speech.
10. Contempt for judicial institutions.
11. Contempt for our descendants (i.e. sticking them with a crippling national debt, and a fouled planet.
12. Contempt for anyone in the world who was not born a rich white American.
13. Contempt for the US's history as a world leader.
14. Hatred of anyone who is not an evangelical Christian.

I'm sure I've missed a couple of things, but that will do for a start.

Don

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I will not own any of the above.

It is hard to see ones bigotry directly spelled out, isn't it...

[RonD1120 58]

ibx

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Part and parcel of the same thing.
Trump-led changes in the American spirit:
1. Hatred of brown-skinned people.
2. Hatred of immigrants.
3. Hatred of the poor (except when you need them for votes).
4. Hatred of the educated.
5. Hatred of anyone with a history of health problems.
6. Hatred of anyone with a gender identity other than traditional male or female.
7. Hatred of anyone with a sexual identity other than "straight".
8. Contempt for clean air and water.
9. Contempt for free speech.
10. Contempt for judicial institutions.
11. Contempt for our descendants (i.e. sticking them with a crippling national debt, and a fouled planet.
12. Contempt for anyone in the world who was not born a rich white American.
13. Contempt for the US's history as a world leader.
14. Hatred of anyone who is not an evangelical Christian.

I'm sure I've missed a couple of things, but that will do for a start.

Don

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I will not own any of the above.

It is hard to see ones bigotry directly spelled out, isn't it...

Not when it is not true. I see the projection of individual bias and prejudice.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[wmw999 2,122]

You don't have to own them; you weren't in Charlottesville, etc.

However, the rise in anti-everything violence is documentably higher. Facts don't need to be owned, any more than science needs to be believed in.

You might disagree with the assignment of context to these facts, but they remain facts.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[mr2mk1g 10]

winsor

I know it is/was fashionable to criticize the Franco regime, but it is worthwhile to note that Spain sent zero troops to be slaughtered in the war that swept Europe.

Slight point of order but they actually sent just short of 50,000 troops to help the Nazis on the Eastern Front.

[winsor 186]

mr2mk1g

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I know it is/was fashionable to criticize the Franco regime, but it is worthwhile to note that Spain sent zero troops to be slaughtered in the war that swept Europe.

Slight point of order but they actually sent just short of 50,000 troops to help the Nazis on the Eastern Front.

I stand corrected. Okay, so Switzerland and Sweden were better places to serve during the early '40s.

[winsor 186]

GeorgiaDon

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I have read more about President Trump here in the SC than anywhere else. My support for him comes not from what I have read but from the change in the American spirit that he brings.

I thought it came from his anti-immigration promises.Part and parcel of the same thing.
Trump-led changes in the American spirit:
1. Hatred of brown-skinned people.
2. Hatred of immigrants.
3. Hatred of the poor (except when you need them for votes).
4. Hatred of the educated.
5. Hatred of anyone with a history of health problems.
6. Hatred of anyone with a gender identity other than traditional male or female.
7. Hatred of anyone with a sexual identity other than "straight".
8. Contempt for clean air and water.
9. Contempt for free speech.
10. Contempt for judicial institutions.
11. Contempt for our descendants (i.e. sticking them with a crippling national debt, and a fouled planet.
12. Contempt for anyone in the world who was not born a rich white American.
13. Contempt for the US's history as a world leader.
14. Hatred of anyone who is not an evangelical Christian.

I'm sure I've missed a couple of things, but that will do for a start.

Don

If the goal was to promulgate a hyperbolic crock of shit, this pegs the meter many times over. Using 'hatred' and 'contempt' for each category is a clue; it's like the use of '...phobic' is a clear indication that the speaker is chock full of shit (and/or semi-literate).

Each category justifies a detailed response, so I won't waste the time on oversimplified rebuttal.

I understand that you dislike Trump, which is a valid take on the man's basic character. To say that he's an asshole is an insult to assholes everywhere.

Having said that, to use Trump's loathsome persona to support the nonsense put forth above does nothing but demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of how he wound up where he is.

I suppose there is a right to ignorance, though I question why so many people insist on the vigorous exercise of said right.


BSBD,

Winsor

[normiss 622]

His policies, speeches, and campaign have all proven every item on the list.
Some of those individual items have now or are being legally proven as well.
Buckle up, it's going to get uglier.

[rushmc 18]

normiss

His policies, speeches, and campaign have all proven every item on the list.
Some of those individual items have now or are being legally proven as well.
Buckle up, it's going to get uglier.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln