Phil1111 911 #1 May 7, 2018 Abandoning Iranian Nuclear Deal Could Lead to New Wave of Cyberattacks http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/02/abandoning-iranian-nuclear-deal-could-lead-to-new-wave-of-cyberattacks/ What could Iran do if Trump pulls out of nuclear deal? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-scenarios/what-could-iran-do-if-trump-pulls-out-of-nuclear-deal-idUSKBN1I427E "Iranian leaders have consistently threatened that U.S. reimposition of sanctions or withdrawal from the deal would result in rapid development of the nuclear program.... Driving a wedge between Washington and Europe. In August, nuclear official Salehi promised that "if the Americans cast the deal aside, it is highly likely that Europe won't follow suit, [and] America will remain alone." By this logic, Iran will probably continue its talks with the EU3 (Britain, France, and Germany) and cast itself as the aggrieved party, hoping to bring the Europeans to its side and prevent a unified Western front if sanctions are reimposed in May.... Coordinating with Russia and China. ..echoed this line of thinking last month when he claimed that expanding relations with Beijing and Moscow would help "neutralize and reduce the impact of U.S. pressure."... http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/how-will-iran-prepare-for-potential-u.s.-withdrawal-from-the-jcpoa EU: US has no right to terminate Iran accord https://www.politico.eu/article/federica-mogherini-donald-trump-iran-eu-us-has-no-right-to-terminate-iran-accord/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #2 May 7, 2018 Phil1111... By this logic, Iran will probably continue its talks with the EU3 (Britain, France, and Germany) and cast itself as the aggrieved party, hoping to bring the Europeans to its side and prevent a unified Western front if sanctions are reimposed in May.... They would be the 'aggrieved party' if the US unilaterally pulled out of the deal. There is a deal. It was negotiated (torturously) and agreed to by both parties. For Trump to simply say "I don't like it and won't follow it" is stupid. Really stupid. But, for someone who "wrote" the "Art of the Deal", it seems to be pretty much standard practice. He 'negotiates' a deal, then just reneges on it. He seems bound and determined to make Iran seem like the good guys. China and Russia too (although, in the case of Russia, it makes at least some sense)."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #3 May 8, 2018 President Trump announced that the U.S. is pulling out of the nuclear deal in 90 days and strict economic sanctions will be reinstated. Any other country supporting Iranian nukes will also be sanctioned. There were some other points as well. The Obama legacy is now down to what? To quote RL, it is President Donald Trump. It is a good day.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #4 May 8, 2018 sanctions to accomplish what exactly? To get Iran to stop developing nikes? They already have as per the existing deal. delusional. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #5 May 8, 2018 Quote... it is President Donald Trump...who has singlehandedly established the United States as the most untrustworthy "partner" in the world. In his zeal to rule by personal vendetta against Obama, a hatred magnified by his obvious racism, he has ensured that no country with an ounce of sense will trust the US to abide by any agreement. He is no more loyal to this country's historic allies than he has been to his wife: if he can screw you over he will, just because. What will be the consequence of Trump's hubris? Ultimately the EU, Russia, China, Canada, Mexico, and the rest of the world will tell him to go fuck himself if he tries to impose sanctions on them for continuing to support the nuclear deal and trade with Iran. The US will become more and more marginalized in the world. Ultimately the only leverage the US will have at its disposal is its military, which (it seems to me) is OK by Trump as it fits nicely with his authoritarian desire to make his mark by having his own war in the Middle East and, if it all goes according to plan, become the first President since Truman to use nuclear weapons. Speaking of authoritarian, did anyone else catch how he "spoke to the Iranian people" about how they could return to the glory days they "enjoyed" while living under the thumb of the Shah, a ruthless dictator who used his CIA-trained secret police (the notorious SAVAK) to terrorize any political opposition. Just the kind of guy Trump would admire and hope to emulate. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolhtairt 0 #6 May 8, 2018 tkhayessanctions to accomplish what exactly? To get Iran to stop developing nikes? They already have as per the existing deal. delusional. Secret Israeli spies say otherwise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #7 May 8, 2018 >President Trump announced that the U.S. is pulling out of the nuclear deal in 90 days >and strict economic sanctions will be reinstated. Any other country supporting Iranian >nukes will also be sanctioned. So he singlehandedly let the Iranians restart their nuclear program AND handed a huge economic win to Russia and China. Not a "legacy" I'd want. But everyone's different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #8 May 8, 2018 QuoteSecret Israeli spies say otherwise. And you have reliable sources of secret Israeli intelligence I am sure to back up your claim.... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/world/middleeast/israel-iran-nuclear-netanyahu.html proclaiming there is no evidence at all. and from the Israeli pro right wing media.... https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-chief-100-percent-certain-iran-still-seeks-nuclear-bomb/ proclaiming a gut feeling neither of which actually offer any form of proof, or reports from other govts. Other than stating that Britain, France and Germany all think this is a bad idea. I will put my ante in the same pile as those three over Israel, thanks Israeli has been playing the USA for decades.... they enjoy the support and the attention, and they know that the rapture is not actually going to happen but they get billions every year from the USA by perpetuating the rumor that Jebus is coming back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 911 #9 May 8, 2018 tkhayesQuoteSecret Israeli spies say otherwise. And you have reliable sources of secret Israeli intelligence I am sure to back up your claim.... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/30/world/middleeast/israel-iran-nuclear-netanyahu.html proclaiming there is no evidence at all. and from the Israeli pro right wing media.... https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-chief-100-percent-certain-iran-still-seeks-nuclear-bomb/ proclaiming a gut feeling neither of which actually offer any form of proof, or reports from other govts. Other than stating that Britain, France and Germany all think this is a bad idea. I will put my ante in the same pile as those three over Israel, thanks Israeli has been playing the USA for decades.... they enjoy the support and the attention, and they know that the rapture is not actually going to happen but they get billions every year from the USA by perpetuating the rumor that Jebus is coming back. "Asked about the agreement in an interview with Haaretz to mark Israel’s 70th anniversary, current IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Gadi Eisenkot refrained from bashing the deal. Instead, he was judiciously positive about it – saying that, to the best of his knowledge, it is “working.” True, Eisenkot tempered his assessment by noting that while no Iranian violations of the agreement have been proven, this doesn’t mean they don’t exist. “We assume that Iran can operate secretly. Therefore, keeping watch on developments there is the No. 1 mission for both the Israel Defense Forces and intelligence agencies. We are investing vast resources in obtaining the best intelligence about Iran and its operational ability. If its intentions change, we will know,” he said. ... However, he pointed out that, “Right now, the agreement, with all its faults, is working and is putting off realization of the Iranian nuclear vision by 10 to 15 years.” With the deal in place, he said, “the window of strategic opportunity is still open in our favor. " https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-where-israel-s-leaders-stand-on-the-iran-nuclear-deal-1.6070237 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #10 May 8, 2018 nolhtairt***sanctions to accomplish what exactly? To get Iran to stop developing nikes? They already have as per the existing deal. delusional. Secret Israeli spies say otherwise. The Israeli intelligence services have, of course, never been known to provide disinformation in order to further their goals.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #11 May 9, 2018 QuoteIsraeli has been playing the USA for decades...And now Trump is officially Netanyahu's bitch. Unfortunately that means it's likely that several thousand Americans and several hundred thousand Iranians will die while Bibi sits on the sidelines and laughs. Assuming, of course, that Trump can keep his short fingers off his big nuclear button; if he can't the Russians will likely get involved and we'll be lucky if we escape with only a few million casualties and a few cities replaced with smoking radioactive craters. Still, no price to too high to pay for Trump to stick his finger in Obama's eye. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 126 #12 May 9, 2018 https://nyti.ms/2FUXkNh Pretty reasonable analysis, and let’s hope we do not send Americans to die there. Hope is a terrible management strategy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #13 May 13, 2018 An Ayatollah with a sense of humor!https://www.yahoo.com/news/fire-fury-iran-apos-ayatollah-134821387.html "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Church 7 #14 May 13, 2018 ryoder An Ayatollah with a sense of humor!https://www.yahoo.com/news/fire-fury-iran-apos-ayatollah-134821387.html That's great. Tie-in with another thread, I wonder how hard it would be to get ISIS to believe that the photo on the cover is actually a depiction of Mohammed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 911 #15 May 14, 2018 Juan Williams: Trump's dangerous lies on Iran http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/387468-juan-williams-trumps-dangerous-lies-on-iran "Martin Luther King Jr. once said there is nothing in the world more dangerous than sincere ignorance.... A CNN/ORC poll taken shortly before Trump’s decision found that a majority of Americans — 63 percent — wanted the U.S. to stay in the deal. But get this: 62 percent of Americans believed Iran had violated its terms. ... That poll is proof of sincere ignorance of the deal on the part of nearly two-thirds of Americans. They are under the spell of Trump’s distortions.... Trump’s own State Department has repeatedly certified — as recently as last month — that Iran was living up to its end of the deal. In April, Defense Secretary James Mattis described the pact’s verification provisions as “pretty robust.”" As did the EU, Germany,UK, France and the other signatories. Voting, decisions have consequences. Mr. Netanyahu and trump better be right because the missiles have started to fly. Twenty five Palestinians were killed overnight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 911 #16 June 19, 2018 US intelligence officials: North Korea will sell nuclear tech to Iran http://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/392868-us-intelligence-officials-next-fear-north-korea-will-sell-nuclear Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #17 June 19, 2018 >US intelligence officials: North Korea will sell nuclear tech to Iran Too bad we just abandoned a nuclear deal that allowed us to inspect their facilities regularly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #18 June 19, 2018 billvon>US intelligence officials: North Korea will sell nuclear tech to Iran Too bad we just abandoned a nuclear deal that allowed us to inspect their facilities regularly. What do you expect when our diplomacy is being run by a narcissistic amateur?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #19 July 27, 2018 kallend***>US intelligence officials: North Korea will sell nuclear tech to Iran Too bad we just abandoned a nuclear deal that allowed us to inspect their facilities regularly. What do you expect when our diplomacy is being run by a narcissistic amateur? Well, the Mango Mussolini has shown his maturity again. Iran President Rouhani made a speech, criticizing the US for going against all the other signatories to the nuke agreement (including France, China, Germany & Russia) and withdrawing. So Trump tweets a pompous, rambling threat. All caps too. Iran basically said "yeah, you've said that sort of garbage before, what makes this any different?" And an Iranian General responded with the same basic threat: We will destroy you too. QuoteMaj Gen Soleimani - who leads the Quds Force of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards - was quoted on Thursday as saying: "As a soldier, it is my duty to respond to your threats. Talk to me, not to the president [Hassan Rouhani]. It is not in our president's dignity to respond to you." Much of the rest of the world also responded to the buffoonery. Mainly mocking him. In many cases with song lyrics. Some of them are pretty funny. What isn't all that funny is that we've reached the point where threats from the POTUS are met with mocking and dismissal. The threats are simply idiotic and juvenile. The responses are appropriate. The office of President has become a joke."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #20 July 27, 2018 wolfriverjoeSo Trump tweets a pompous, rambling threat. All caps too. Iran basically said "yeah, you've said that sort of garbage before, what makes this any different?" And an Iranian General responded with the same basic threat: We will destroy you too. The best bit is that Trump was aware enough to (possibly quite correctly) criticize Obama for setting his 'Red line' over Assad's actions in Syria, but has now set his own Red line over nothing more than simple words from Iran. A line that everyone knows Iran will cross immediately, a line that everyone knows the US will not enforce, and a line that simply is not enforceable under any understanding of reasonable foreign policy, international law or plain old morality. It is literally nothing but a playground rant. QuoteWhat isn't all that funny is that we've reached the point where threats from the POTUS are met with mocking and dismissal. The threats are simply idiotic and juvenile. The responses are appropriate. The office of President has become a joke. There was a Trump supporter on this very forum during the election who thought it would be a good thing that Trump's random foreign policy would 'keep them guessing'. It was stupid then, it's utterly moronic now.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #21 July 27, 2018 I liked this Twitter response: "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
