Sarin Gas blame game...

[Royreader8812 0]

So last time Assad was accused of 'using Chemical weapons on his own people' [sic], and the media onslaught backing up those accusations, were used as reason to feed the very people the war on terror was supposed to be killing with more weapons...

The resulting investigation found without doubt that the chemical weapons were in fact used by the rebels themselves...

The white helmets are also a good indication that the rebels are complicit, the white helmets only operate in rebel controlled territory.
They are referred to a civil defense, but in fact there is a real Syrian civil defense that is od in rebel controlled areas. The white helmets and the rebels are part and parcel.

The rebels are doing it tough at the moment, O'bomber is out, Trump is still in transition and Russia and Syria have them on the run.

How would anyone be so stupid to believe without investigation, that the rebels themselves would not simply do the same thing they did last time. Or that Assad and Russia would use chemical weapons to have such a small impact on their offensive, only to receive
condemnation from the world around.

The most disturbing aspect of this, and this does not take away from the terrible tragedy of those personally effected, is the media in the west are very quick to point at Russia and Assad with no facts to base their stories on and with the history i have explained above. You would think they would have learned from the past, if they were at all interested in the truth.

When the last investigation finished and it was found without a doubt that the rebels had used the chemical weapons, do you think the media retracted their accusations... did they then report in the truth that was found...

Of course they didn't.

We live is a cruel world full of stupid idiots and fucking assholes.

Don't be one of them.

[tkhayes 126]

your claim that the rebels are using Sarin gas is simply false and unfounded.

The UN came to no specific conclusions and the US and most other countries like France, the UK, and other advanced intelligence gathering govts concluded that it was most likely the Syria govt, supported by the Syrians then giving up their chemical weapons, which now sit in Tennessee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghouta_chemical_attack

[jakee 1,256]

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The resulting investigation found without doubt that the chemical weapons were in fact used by the rebels themselves...

Source?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Royreader8812 0]

Good old Wikipedia eh, Did you edit it yourself before posting?

Lol.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/6/syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-not-assads-regi/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10039672/UN-accuses-Syrian-rebels-of-chemical-weapons-use.html

[tkhayes 126]

ONE, (1), single UN official made that claim and you are basing your argument on that,


And ignoring the 'good old wikipedia' with 243 references attached to the Wiki article.

Amazingly great job at investigative reporting there......got it.

[Royreader8812 0]

and which one of those link is conclusive evidence that Assad was responsible?

The accusations coming from the people funding and supplying the Rebels?

That one UN spokesperson suggesting the evidence is pointing at the rebels, was part of the investigation team.

[gowlerk 1,914]

This tactic of yours of making false claims and then defending them by saying they can't be proven false is getting tiresome. The fact that you can't prove a negative does not override the preponderance of facts.

But it's nice to have the clear and coherent Royreader8812 back again. I hope you stick around for a while this time and aren't replaced by one of the rambling replacements when your shift ends.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Phil1111 911]

gowlerk

This tactic of yours of making false claims and then defending them by saying they can't be proven false is getting tiresome. The fact that you can't prove a negative does not override the preponderance of facts.

But it's nice to have the clear and coherent Royreader8812 back again. I hope you stick around for a while this time and aren't replaced by one of the rambling replacements when your shift ends.

Wrong, bot or troll, coherent or rambling with poor spelling and sentence structure. The source of messages and references has the final validity, coherence and grounding in fact as Rushmc.

In the end trump sees Syria, the regional war there, as IS and Islam fighting over issues which he doesn't understand. For which he will make no effort to understand.

The only EU leaders that might have taken a lead in these war crimes. France, and Germany are dealing with elections. The UK with Brexit.

So in the end the policy of President Obama will prevail. A failed US policy of hands off, do nothing.

Al Jazeera has some odd takes on reporting but this one covers the Syria gas attacks accurately.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/blames-syria-forces-chemical-attack-161022033828052.html

[normiss 622]

The images of a smoking canister embedded in the middle of the street tells me it was no weapons depot and that it did in fact fall from the sky.
Pretty sure the rebels are still unable to fly anything over Syria.
Makes me wonder who actually dropped the gas canister. hmmmmmmm

[nolhtairt 0]

Assad is a fucking asshole who will do whatever he wants and fuck what the international community thinks about it.

[tkhayes 126]

actually NONE of the links gave conclusive evidence. Also none of them gave conclusive evidence of your claim that the rebels did it either.

But it did reference MANY governmental investigations and many agency investigations from around the world that the MOST LIKELY culprit was the Assad govt.

You of course are allowed to dismiss the conclusions of many for the conclusions of one.

I am I am equally allowed to dismiss your 'one' opinion with the overwhelming conclusions of the many.

Tired of arguing with anonymous trolls. joined recently? No name, no identity, no nothing - that makes you well, described in your profile I guess.....and not worthy of my attention for sure.

[Royreader8812 0]

The many that haven't been there, have a vested interest in saying otherwise and run around with the rebels.

There us absolutely no reasonable explanation that would suggest Assad and Russia would gain out of such actions. And a significant number of reasons that would benefit the rebels and the plethora of countries that are supporting them.

The old Occam's razor.

[Phil1111 911]

nolhtairt

Assad is a fucking asshole who will do whatever he wants and fuck what the international community thinks about it.

Assad is a war criminal. His father was a war criminal that also used nerve gas on Syrian people. He belongs to the Alawite branch of Islam. Because of the crimes committed by the government and other Alawites over the last 20-30 years. They are in a fight to the death with Syrian rebels.

For certain if Assad lost on the battlefield Alawites would be slaughtered post defeat.
"The majority of the Syrian military are Sunni, but most of the military leadership are Alawites. Alawites make up 12 percent of the Syrian population but are estimated to make up 70 percent of the career soldiers in the Syrian Army."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Armed_Forces

Russia advertises and lies about who its fighting in Syria. They say they are fighting IS. According to US defense sources 70% or more of its airstrikes are against rebels who are fighting Assad and IS. Assad is also propped up by Russian volunteer troops and Russian special forces. As well as Iranian Hezbollah forces.

Hezbollah is part of the regional Sunni-Shia regional war between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Russia is involved because Putin is trying to recreate a greater Russian hegemony in the region. To recreate a Russian version of the USSR hegemony that existed from the 1960's to the late 80's.

Which sort of validates trump's ideas of staying away from this fight. But thats a longer matter.

[wmw999 2,123]

Assad gains fewer rebels, and abject fear among the remaining ones. You yourself talked about hownwar should be conducted with all stops pulled out if one is serious about it. I do think Assad is serious.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[tkhayes 126]

Rubbish. The vested interest that the Government has is winning and maintaining a ruthless dictatorship, kinda of like Russia and Syria.

[gowlerk 1,914]

Royreader8812

The many that haven't been there, have a vested interest in saying otherwise and run around with the rebels.

There us absolutely no reasonable explanation that would suggest Assad and Russia would gain out of such actions. And a significant number of reasons that would benefit the rebels and the plethora of countries that are supporting them.

The old Occam's razor.

Occam's razor indeed.

Aerial bombardments are only carried out by forces that possess aircraft.

If sarin gas was in the possesion of ISIS, or related groups, they would use it in terror attacks in the west. They would not waste it on pointless attacks in Syria.

The use of gas in Syria is another example of just how ruthless Putin's Russia is. Supplying poison to Assad is roughly the same as supplying missiles to Russians in Ukraine then denying everything when airliners fall from the sky.


Occam's razor

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Royreader8812 0]

Rubbish!

They are already winning. And making your team look like amateurs.

Only an idiot would believe it would be strategic to kill less than 100 people with chemical weapons, only to face the predictable backlash which in the form of the already widespread 'assumption' that they did it.

But there are obviously plenty of idiots out there. Because people don't learn from history.

But if course having wahabbist terrorists running the only secular nation in the region is a great idea. They don't have the ability to kill indesciminantly at all... Ffs.

What a bunch of morons.

[Royreader8812 0]

Oh it came from the air.... Must have been Russia.

There are not several nations illegally bombing in Syria at all, nor was the last chemical attack contained in a ground to ground missile...

Great powers of deduction Batman.

[normiss 622]

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What a bunch if morons.

Indeed.

[Phil1111 911]

Rubio calls for indictment of Putin and Assad: 'Putin is a war criminal who is assisting another war criminal'

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/05/congressional-leaders-call-assad-war-criminal-say-must-go.html

[jakee 1,256]

Royreader8812

Good old Wikipedia eh, Did you edit it yourself before posting?

Lol.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/6/syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-not-assads-regi/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10039672/UN-accuses-Syrian-rebels-of-chemical-weapons-use.html

Sorry, you may be confused. I asked for a source to back up this statement.

"The resulting investigation found without doubt that the chemical weapons were in fact used by the rebels themselves..."

Do you have one?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[gowlerk 1,914]

Royreader8812

Oh it came from the air.... Must have been Russia.

There are not several nations illegally bombing in Syria at all, nor was the last chemical attack contained in a ground to ground missile...

Great powers of deduction Batman.

If it was Sarin gas, what do you suppose the source was? It doesn't grow on trees ya know.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Royreader8812 0]

Well, what I would like is a thorough independent investigation to determine that.

But with the dogma already set in stone and the policy to back up the knee jerk likely already in place, while the gas is still lingering in the air.

It is probably safe to say the tax revenue of many of those in this disussion would be involved.

It is akin to the WMD's dogma, but to bring Trump in on the game...

I don't think it is going to work,but I am probably being g too hopeful there.

But there are a lot of idiots out there. On one hand blaming wahabbist muslims for everything, and on the other not thinking they could have anything to do with this. And want to go in and arm them so they can tople the only secular government in the region.

My personal beliefs is that wahabbism has more to do with money and united states foreign policy, than any of you in here would be willing to believe.

The 'moderate rebels'are Al Qaeda > Al Nusra > Isis. These entities exist only to serve the foreign policy of the nation's that 'pretend' they are trying to stop them.

Russia and Syria have proven that they are not as strong as what the western coalition have made them out to be.

That is because they have been feeding them arms and backing them up the entire time.

Only a fool would not see this.

[gowlerk 1,914]

But the question at hand is much simpler. Who dropped sarin gas on people? The list of possible suspects is not very long. If ISIS possessed such material they would have done it elsewhere. It defies all logic to think they have that capability. That leaves Assad's forces. With or without Russia supplying the material.

I understand that Assad and his people are in a fight for their lives. A fact that is mostly ignored in western coverage. But that does not change the facts of what they are doing.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[Royreader8812 0]

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But the question at hand is much simpler. Who dropped sarin gas on people? The list of possible suspects is not very long. If ISIS possessed such material they would have done it elsewhere. It defies all logic to think they have that capability. That leaves Assad's forces. With or without Russia supplying the material.

You realise there are a number of groups in Syria fighting against Assad.

If you think it is just the Syrian government (and Russia) vs ISIS...

Then who the hell have the coalition been openly arming and training for the last few years.

Do you read or watch the state department briefings?

The Moderate rebels that hold the area where the gas was 'released' are allies of the coalition and your money is going to arm them.

This is no secret.

You might want to clue yourself up on the situation a little better before having such a stance on it.

It is nice to see that there are members of congress th\t are stating exactly as I am.

Because they are the ones that Trump would have to go through if he is drawn into this and the very same people that stopped Obama from doing so in 2013.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXIJlyxCQyE&feature=youtu.be

The anchor looks flabbergasted that he would say and think such things.

He speaks absolute sense.