All the people Trump blames for the AHCA collapse

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A list (feel free to add to it) -

Freedom Caucus, the Club for Growth and the Heritage Foundation: ‘‘Democrats are smiling in D.C. that the Freedom Caucus, with the help of Club For Growth and Heritage, have saved Planned Parenthood & Ocare!’’

House Republicans - "I honestly think many of you will lose your seats in 2018 if you don't get this done."

Democrats - "We were very close, it was a very tight margin. We had no Democrat support, no votes from the Democrats. I think the losers are Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer because now they own ObamaCare."

His kids - Following his decision to postpone the Obamacare repeal plan, Trump blamed his daughter and her husband for the Trumpcare flop in Washington D.C. In his eyes, Ivanka Trump, 35, and Jared Kusher, 36, should have been in the nation’s capital showing their support instead of skiing with their kids in Aspen, Colorado. (Note - Trump then went golfing.)

Paul Ryan - Then, on Saturday, with the universally negative news coverage piling up, Trump tipped off his Twitter followers to tune into that night’s edition of Judge Jeanine Pirro’s show on Fox News. On that program, Piro proceeded to blame the entire AHCA failure on Speaker of the House Paul Ryan in a brutal opening monologue, calling for him to resign since he was unable to provide enough votes for Trump and Trumpcare. (NY Mag)

Gary Cohn - After Gary Cohn, the chief White House economic adviser, went on Fox News Sunday this month to talk about the reform push, the media-obsessed president complained bitterly about the appearance, venting that Cohn failed to clearly sell the merits of the plan, according to three people familiar with the matter. (Politico)

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Charlie Dent - But Trump’s ire, apparently, wasn’t limited to the conservative rebels. Appearing on NBC’s “Meet the Press” Sunday, Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.) — leader of the moderate Tuesday Group — confirmed that Trump upbraided him during a recent meeting at the White House and accused him of “destroying” the Republican Party. (Politico)

Mark Meadows - Freedom Caucus chairman Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) “betrayed Trump and America and supported [House Democratic leader Nancy] Pelosi and Dems to protect Obamacare.” (Politico)

[ryoder 1,384]

Just a crazy idea, but maybe next time POTUS could actually present his own plan, (which adheres to his promises), instead of just endorsing a slipshod bill-of-crap slapped together by the GOP.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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Just a crazy idea, but maybe next time POTUS could actually present his own plan, (which adheres to his promises), instead of just endorsing a slipshod bill-of-crap slapped together by the GOP.

To do that we'd have to elect a competent POTUS first.

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ryoder

Just a crazy idea, but maybe next time POTUS could actually present his own plan, (which adheres to his promises), instead of just endorsing a slipshod bill-of-crap slapped together by the GOP.

I don't see why a president has to present his own plan at all. Laws are the responsibility of the legislature. If the president recommended a vision of a bill, then this one sucked (don't change much, change "Obama-Care" title to "Ryan-Care" and claim victory (all the while making it even more expensive just to claim a false win).

It's legislative bill, the failure is with the legislature.

Seems the real way to address this is to claim that this bill attempted to find some kind of consensus proposal was flatly rejected by the entire Dem contingent and even members within the party (for polar opposite reasons).

Now that it's clear that the opposition opposes soley based on a "no" stance to anything proposed. (Seriously, if a Rep proposed single payer, it would still get zero Dem votes). So admit it and state that indicates, that a 'compromise' is not possible. And they should immediately draft a 'repeal and don't replace' plan right away and try to drive that along party lines.

Politically, it puts the consequences upon those that voted no to a compromise and forced an all or nothing scenario. And gets repeal moved forward, instead of just 'pass a law in name only' - it would do something. And this time some idiot former entertainer wouldn't need any ballot box tampering to get in for the swing vote. They already have them.

It's the same tactic that got the ACA in place, "we have the numbers, so the rest of you can suck it". But now the other way. And then play pingpong every four years until the planet melts



Trump was an idiot for 'endorsing' a plan that was only cosmetic in nature anyway. That's what happens when you play politics and don't know how to do it right.

Politics sucks. for christs sake, we even heard a couple reps state "you have to pass to see what's in it" - these assholes have no shame D or R

However, this way we get to see the press overplay this result too in a tiring and partisan way for days and days and days - so at least we got that going for us.

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Seems the real way to address this is to claim that this bill attempted to find some kind of consensus proposal was flatly rejected by the entire Dem contingent and even members within the party (for polar opposite reasons).

Now that it's clear that the opposition opposes soley based on a "no" stance to anything proposed. (Seriously, if a Rep proposed single payer, it would still get zero Dem votes). So admit it and state that indicates, that a 'compromise' is not possible.

Both Trump and Democrats have said they are willing to work on a compromise bill. Kasich has called on Trump to work with them, and Priebus has said that Trump will try. Now, that's currently just bloviation, but if it's true it might have a chance of both passing and actually improving what we have now.

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"you have to pass to see what's in it"

I'm saddened this level of dishonesty continues.

[kallend 1,625]

ryoder

Just a crazy idea, but maybe next time POTUS could actually present his own plan, (which adheres to his promises), instead of just endorsing a slipshod bill-of-crap slapped together by the GOP.

That "slipshod bill-of-crap" has been 7 years in the making (or at least, it should have been).

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Hi rehmwa,

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Laws are the responsibility of the legislature.

I agree with this.

However, why call it ObamaCare; why not call it ReidCare or something similar?

Presidents, for years, have sent what they want to the Congress to act on.

Just sayin',

Jerry Baumchen

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Seems the real way to address this is to claim that this bill attempted to find some kind of consensus proposal was flatly rejected by the entire Dem contingent and even members within the party (for polar opposite reasons).

That would be a good way to address it politically, but it's be far from the real way. As far as I'm aware the Republicans sought and accepted zero Democratic input into the new plans. It was just 'Here is our plan, now get ready to vote'.

I know you desperately want to stick with 'everyone is equally as bad as each other' but seriously, compare and contrast with the development of Obamacare (which if anything had too much cross-aisle compromise).

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[winsor 186]

All the blamestorming in the world doesn't change the fact that A) Obamacare is doomed and B) pretty much anything put forth by the GOP so far is slated to a similar fate for similar reasons.

This article covers the fundamentals nicely.

I get it that the people on the right think the left is made up of assholes, and the people on the left are sure that the right is similarly made up of assholes, and each side is sure that the other side doesn't have a fucking clue. News flash - you're both right.

It's been fun while it lasted.

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JerryBaumchen

Hi rehmwa,

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Laws are the responsibility of the legislature.

I agree with this.

However, why call it ObamaCare; why not call it ReidCare or something similar?

Presidents, for years, have sent what they want to the Congress to act on.

Just sayin',

Jerry Baumchen

Morning, Jerry.

Back when Obama started talking about ACA; I sent a letter to him and my state and congressional/senatorial representatives. I recommended they consider overhauling the VA medical system and then when successful; use that as the template for ACA. Something about "Proof of Concept" for me.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.