So, my thread has been blocked...

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I'm not of that group to which you're attempting to insult.

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RonD1120

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Times were far better before the hippy movement.

Jim Crow

Bull Connor

George Wallace

Black church bombings

Emmett Till

Meridian, MS murders

...

I can see why you long for those days.

What I find humorous is that you make those kinds of statements like you actually know what you are talking about.


Maybe you don't long for those things. But you do seem to be under the impression that those times were better. It's a very human thing to remember and long for "the good old days". But the objective truth is people are living better now. Except for maybe the health effects of lack of exercise.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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gowlerk

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Times were far better before the hippy movement.

Jim Crow

Bull Connor

George Wallace

Black church bombings

Emmett Till

Meridian, MS murders

...

I can see why you long for those days.

What I find humorous is that you make those kinds of statements like you actually know what you are talking about.


Maybe you don't long for those things. But you do seem to be under the impression that those times were better. It's a very human thing to remember and long for "the good old days". But the objective truth is people are living better now. Except for maybe the health effects of lack of exercise.

None of those topics/people mentioned had anything to do with my life. George Wallace is the only one I can define with any semblance of accuracy.

None of those topics/people were part of the hippie movement. To my understanding they were part of the civil rights movement. Which IIRC, was initiated by the Democrats and passed by the Republican Congress.

The hippie movement was about ripping off the system and living for free.

I was not a hippie. I was a freak. My definition for me was "a socially unacceptable product of my socialization." The main difference was that I believed in work, not a free ride.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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normiss

I'm not of that group to which you're attempting to insult.

OOPS! I forgot you are without sin.

I was referring to the wisdom attained by seeing the error of your ways. My bad.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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RonD1120

***I'm not of that group to which you're attempting to insult.

OOPS! I forgot you are without sin.

I was referring to the wisdom attained by seeing the error of your ways. My bad.

You have to believe in sin before you are without it.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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What is my error or wise and judging one???

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or

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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normiss

What is my error or wise and judging one???

I think he meant "he who is without sin, cast the first stone". More or less.

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I've been rooting around in "poverty program" descriptions. Here's a summary of Paul Ryan's poverty program from a liberal writer, and it's not unreasonable. It's a bit of a read, but worthwhile.

Paul Ryan on Welfare & Poverty

What is striking to me about this article is they only talk about "process". There is no audience definition, per se, i.e. "that-word-white-people-cannot-use".

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Came across this article in The Atlantic. LBJ's "great society" used Appalachians as a starting point to sell his programs. This article goes into depth regarding the term "White Trash".

billvon - can we use the term "White Trash" in this forum?

The Original Underclass

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What is striking to me about this article is they only talk about "process". There is no audience definition, per se, i.e. "that-word-white-people-cannot-use".

They also talk about poverty, and safety nets, and the unemployed, and providers for aid. Which makes sense; the web page is entitled "Paul Ryan on Welfare & Poverty" rather than "Paul Ryan on blacks" or "Paul Ryan on Muslims" or "Paul Ryan on unwed mothers."

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I spend a regular amount of my time writing documents, for my own use and other interested parties. Real writers have my utmost respect. Here's a blank sheet of paper. Put words on that page that will engage your reader. Make them think, make them read the entire article. It's a tremendous skill. I wish I would have spent more time with my reading composition courses in college (...both of them
A fundamental principle in successful communication via the written word is: know your audience. Before I put any word to paper I develop a picture in my mind of those folks who will be reading the article. That takes effort, that takes times to actually talk to people who might read your writing. And, invariably, you must end up using some of their words in your writing.

My goal in this thread is to be able to have a conversation about that small fraction of the 13% of blacks in America who are responsible for 50% of the crime in America. Especially now that Obama has legitimized them, and their sympathizers are hunting cops. What phrase, hopefully concise phrase, can I use to discuss "them". Summarizing what folks have offered to date here includes:

1) "that-word-white-people-cannot-use" (...that's really not very concise)
2) thugs
3) low lifes

I'm asking for help of the thinking people still involved in this thread. Is there no other word out there for white people to use? Can we even have the discussion of their behavior that's needed badly in this country right now?

Blacks have their own word for this. It's concise, and very well defined. But, white people aren't allowed to use it. I'm beginning to think I'm bumping up against institutionalized hypocrisy, not only here, but in the rest of current American life.

And, adding to the difficulty, "those" folks aren't even going to be my audience. My audience is going to be Cottage-Officers, editors of newspapers, congressmen, and others.

I just want a simple concise word/phrase that describes that small fraction of blacks who are violent and uneducated, who seem to be becoming ever more self entitled.

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They also talk about poverty, and safety nets, and the unemployed, and providers for aid. Which makes sense; the web page is entitled "Paul Ryan on Welfare & Poverty" rather than "Paul Ryan on blacks" or "Paul Ryan on Muslims" or "Paul Ryan on unwed mothers."

Fair point, billvon.

What I want to talk about is that group of violent and uneducated people who are mired in poverty, subsisting off government funds for generations, and who are responsible for 50% of the crime in America.

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and encouraging pre-judgment based on dress, and not behavior.

Behavior has been a strict focus of my discussion here, IMO.

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He was the valedictorian. He was also straightedge.

Outstanding! And congratulations on an excellent job raising your son. Clearly, his behavior wasn't an issue.

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billvon - can we use the term "White Trash" in this forum?

I take from your lack of response to this question that "White Trash" is a phrase we can use in this forum. The hypocrisy is almost suffocating. Liberal philosophy is bankrupt, IMO.

I appreciate there are advertisers in this forum that drive part of your decision to not allow "that-word-white-people-cannot-use". Could it be that you, and and the advertisers, are part of the problem itself? How do we address that small fraction of the 13% of the population that is responsible for 50% of the crime in America? You have yet to come up with any suggestion what so ever. Can you?

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Posted by me earlier in the thread.

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When one provides only DNA-based data, it implies that the DNA is the reason. If one bases their solutions on only DNA-based data, they're not only not fully addressing the problem, they're impacting others that were not affected.

Saying something is only a gender, race, orientation, or other DNA based criteria problem is easy but also belittling to those that have that DNA criteria (as the default response is to pity and want to "help" them) but not impacted and are made to feel as they are now somehow responsible for "fixing" it. The DNA doesn't matter. If we're going to group people, let's do it by things they can change: citizenship status, education, criminal record, income, religion, location, etc.

Focus on the changeable for solutions, not the DNA.

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>I take from your lack of response to this question that "White Trash" is a phrase we
>can use in this forum.

Or that my wife is in the tunnel so I am dealing with dinner and trying to get the kids to go to sleep. One or the other.

But to answer your question - people in this forum can use "nigger" or "white trash" (or "coon" or "spic") if they want. They cannot use hate speech. Calling people niggers is hate speech. Talking about how a Trump supporter used the word "towelhead" is not.

If you want to use "white trash" to talk about how that term came to be, or its effects, feel free. If you use it as hate speech, then no - you can't use it.

And if you can't see the difference, I'll make it easy for you and just tell you that you can't use any racial slurs, period.

>I appreciate there are advertisers in this forum that drive part of your decision to not
>allow "that-word-white-people-cannot-use". Could it be that you, and and the
>advertisers, are part of the problem itself?

Nope, that could not be, since I could care less what advertisers we use here. (And since I use such terms regularly.)

>How do we address that small fraction of the 13% of the population that is responsible
> for 50% of the crime in America? You have yet to come up with any suggestion what
>so ever. Can you?

I'll do that as soon as you address the problem that almost all violent criminals are males. (88% of murderers are male, and 96% of domestic abusers are male.) You are a male; what are you going to do to stop your ilk from killing people?

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Bolas

Focus on the changeable for solutions, not the DNA.

I agree - just ignore that elephant in the room shouting "racism!"

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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StreetScooby

I'm beginning to think I'm bumping up against institutionalized hypocrisy .

And your answer to that is 'intelectualised racism' ?

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I have always used "thugs and gang bangers." Those were the terms used by colleagues and staff in the court ordered substance abuse programs were I worked. Gang bangers could be either Latino, Hispanic or Negro.

I grew up with the terms "low lifes and trailer trash." Those terms always referred to white people.

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Focus on the changeable for solutions, not the DNA.

And what would that be?

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[StreetScooby 5]

Interesting article in IBD today

Walter E. Williams: The Decline Of Civility In America


Walter E. Williams: The Decline Of Civility In America

WALTER E. WILLIAMS
8/10/2016

One of the unavoidable consequences of youth is the tendency to think behavior we see today has always been. I'd like to dispute that vision, at least as it pertains to black people.

I graduated from Philadelphia's Benjamin Franklin High School in 1954. Franklin's predominantly black students were from the poorest North Philadelphia neighborhoods. During those days, there were no policemen patrolling the hallways.

Today close to 400 police patrol Philadelphia schools. There were occasional after-school fights -- rumbles, as we called them -- but within the school, there was order. In contrast with today, students didn't use foul language to teachers, much less assault them.

Places such as the Richard Allen housing project, where I lived, became some of the most dangerous and dysfunctional places in Philadelphia. Mayhem -- in the form of murders, shootings and assaults -- became routine.

By the 1980s, residents found that they had to have window bars and multiple locks. The 1940s and '50s Richard Allen project, as well as other projects, bore no relation to what they became. Many people never locked their doors; windows weren't barred. We did not go to bed with the sound of gunshots. Most of the residents were two-parent families with one or both parents working.

How might one explain the greater civility of Philadelphia and other big-city, predominantly black neighborhoods and schools during earlier periods compared with today?

Would anyone argue that during the '40s and '50s, there was less racial discrimination and poverty? Was academic performance higher because there were greater opportunities? Was civility in school greater in earlier periods because black students had more black role models in the form of black principals, teachers and guidance counselors?

That's nonsense, at least in northern schools. In my case, I had no more than three black teachers throughout primary and secondary school.

Starting in the 1960s, the values that made for civility came under attack. Corporal punishment was banned. This was the time when the education establishment and liberals launched their agenda that undermined lessons children learned from their parents and the church.

Sex education classes undermined family/church strictures against premarital sex. Lessons of abstinence were ridiculed, considered passe, and replaced with lessons about condoms, birth control pills and abortion.

Further undermining of parental authority came with legal and extralegal measures to assist teenage abortions, often with neither parental knowledge nor parental consent.

Customs, traditions, moral values and rules of etiquette are behavioral norms, transmitted mostly by example, word of mouth and religious teachings. As such, they represent a body of wisdom distilled through the ages by experience and trial and error.

The nation's liberals -- along with the education establishment, pseudo-intellectuals and the courts -- have waged war on traditions, customs and moral values. Many people have been counseled to believe that there are no moral absolutes. Instead, what's moral or immoral is a matter of personal convenience, personal opinion, what feels good or what is or is not criminal.

We no longer condemn or shame self-destructive and rude behavior, such as out-of-wedlock pregnancies, dependency, cheating and lying. We have replaced what worked with what sounds good. The abandonment of traditional values has negatively affected the nation as a whole, but blacks have borne the greater burden. This is seen by the decline in the percentage of black two-parent families.

Today a little over 30% of black children live in an intact family, where as early as the late 1800s, over 70% did. Black illegitimacy in 1938 was 11%, and that for whites was 3%. Today it's respectively 73% and 30%.

It is the height of dishonesty, as far as blacks are concerned, to blame our problems on slavery, how white people behave and racial discrimination. If those lies are not exposed, we will continue to look for external solutions when true solutions are internal. Those of us who are old enough to know better need to expose these lies.

Williams! is a professor of economics at George Mason University.

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I'll do that as soon as you address the problem that almost all violent criminals are males. (88% of murderers are male, and 96% of domestic abusers are male.) You are a male; what are you going to do to stop your ilk from killing people?

You can be pretty silly sometimes in your replies, especially when you decide to play word games, which you're pretty good at.

So, here we are. What have we accomplished in this thread?

First of, there has been no hate speech here, and you need to stop making reference to that. If that's what you've been seeing, billvon, you yourself have a warped lens and I encourage you to reassess that. I don't think you can.

Our country now has a small fraction of blacks, who themselves in total make up 13% of the population, the bulk of that small fraction who are males (...that's for billvon), that are committing 50% of the crime in this country.

And we can only refer to them as:
1) "that-word-white-people-cannot-use"
2) thugs
3) low lifes

I think we've gotten as far as we can here.

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So, here we are. What have we accomplished in this thread?

You've talked to yourself more than anything?