StreetScooby 5 #151 July 22, 2016 Quote Change "liberal" to "conservative" and you're describing the prison industry. Could be a valid point.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #152 July 22, 2016 Quote the black community is going to have to fix this, because it's so obvious that we aren't gonna do a damn thing about it except throw more food stamps at the them. What is being done simply is not working. And it hasn't been working for 50 years now. Something has to change.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #153 July 22, 2016 Quote The whole point is that the current social strategy is a type of prison is the foundation of the entire thread. That's really well said, man. And, it's a vicious cycle.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #154 July 22, 2016 Quote >There is a huge difference when using a word for hatred and discrimination and for >example, using that word to point out the absurdity/stupidity/bias/reality of the hate >and discrimination. Agreed. And in this case he specifically used it to refer to lazy, uncivilized blacks who have too many kids. There is nothing hateful in what I'm saying, nor do I discriminate because of skin color. If you're seeing that, you haven't been reading what I'm posting.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #155 July 22, 2016 Quote Hear me out before you jump: I believe in this course of action, because I'm my experience - seeing someone succeed is the best teaching tool. It has been for me. Hopefully it will encourage those that have worked to overcome the disabilities inherent in their economic scale, to not give up so easily. Sounds reasonable to me.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 227 #156 July 22, 2016 StreetScoobyQuote A condition of receiving public assistance is REVERSIBLE sterilization. Ah, that's too much, IMO. How do you figure? If you are in such bad shape that you will give up the possibility of having accidental kids, taking unexpected offspring out of the equation is doing you a favor. If the kids that are born are generally from from economically stable families, that's a bad thing? If you want to address poverty, the only way is to reduce the number of the poverty-stricken. Doing so retroactively is generally viewed as being really bad manners. If you have a better way, let me know. I'm all ears. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #157 July 22, 2016 StreetScoobyQuote IMO, the problem will grow worse. Too many liberal Caucasians are making too much money in this industry to let it change for the better. That is a truly frightening, sobering statement. Is it? Because to me it sounds like virtually every political issue in the entire country. I don't care what the issue is, pro or anti, people on both sides are making a living off of the conflict and have no actual interest in solving the issue; simply continuing it. I see this particular issue as no different. With that in mind, the fact of money going to both sides should algebraically cancel each other out. Bringing up the money in and of itself is therefore more than likely just a ploy to sway a person since it almost always shows up on both sides. Maybe not in balance, but it's almost certainly there nonetheless. The money aspect should probably not be a factor in whether you think a position is good or bad. Leave that to the facts of the issue itself unless you can prove some sort of other shenanigans like bribery and even then blame the parties involved not the issue.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #158 July 23, 2016 quade***Quote IMO, the problem will grow worse. Too many liberal Caucasians are making too much money in this industry to let it change for the better. That is a truly frightening, sobering statement. Is it? Because to me it sounds like virtually every political issue in the entire country. I don't care what the issue is, pro or anti, people on both sides are making a living off of the conflict and have no actual interest in solving the issue; simply continuing it. I see this particular issue as no different. With that in mind, the fact of money going to both sides should algebraically cancel each other out. Bringing up the money in and of itself is therefore more than likely just a ploy to sway a person since it almost always shows up on both sides. Maybe not in balance, but it's almost certainly there nonetheless. The money aspect should probably not be a factor in whether you think a position is good or bad. Leave that to the facts of the issue itself unless you can prove some sort of other shenanigans like bribery and even then blame the parties involved not the issue. Depends where the money is coming from. If the money is coming from the government to both sides then it's just a never ending increasing cycle.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #159 July 23, 2016 BolasDepends where the money is coming from. If the money is coming from the government to both sides then it's just a never ending increasing cycle. But it still has nothing to do with the facts of the issue. The money is a separate issue and you still shouldn't be surprised people are making money off the conflict. Whether or not a pro or anti (insert name here) reform group is getting money doesn't change the facts of whatever the issue actually is.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,114 #160 July 23, 2016 Quote the current environment where it's ok for BLM to call for dead cops, Please point to a single instance of BLM calling for dead cops.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #161 July 23, 2016 quade ***Depends where the money is coming from. If the money is coming from the government to both sides then it's just a never ending increasing cycle. But it still has nothing to do with the facts of the issue. The money is a separate issue and you still shouldn't be surprised people are making money off the conflict. Whether or not a pro or anti (insert name here) reform group is getting money doesn't change the facts of whatever the issue actually is. There's a distinct difference between a company/industry making money off a law/regulation and one that is directly or indirectly financed by the government especially if that government has massive debt issues. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #162 July 23, 2016 Quote How do you figure? Well, for the vast majority of people I would expect that to be an incredibly emotional decision. Quote If you are in such bad shape that you will give up the possibility of having accidental kids, taking unexpected offspring out of the equation is doing you a favor. That's a completely detached thought, not connected at all to what a person would also feel. I'm not sure the audience you're looking to sterilize will be able to appreciate that point. Quote If you want to address poverty, the only way is to reduce the number of the poverty-stricken. And there are a lot of ways to do that. There is no short term solution to this issue. If charter schools can break the liberal union strangle hold on public schools, that in itself will be a huge step in the right direction. Education is critical to the functioning of a civil society. Even better, charter schools in NYC are good at instilling a personal sense of responsibility in their students. That begets a virtuous upward cycle. NYC charter school kids are experiencing what it takes to partake in the fruits of your labor in America. Giving out money isn't working. IIRC, entitlements take up over 50% of the federal budget. That is unsustainable. Quote If you have a better way, let me know. I'm all ears. I'm thankful there are thinking people still involved in this thread. We're all still here, working on it. I'm convinced something productive will come out of this thread.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #163 July 23, 2016 Quote Is it? Yeah, it is. I've really been "furnace forging" my thoughts with this thread. This is important. Our federal administration has legitimized a grievance group, and now cops are being hunted. This is bad. Really, really, really bad. It's got to stop. I mentioned in an earlier post the "cottage" school in my town. Our town police are actually answering calls there about 6 times a day (I was corrected from my 3 times per day estimate in that post). This site is run by a Jewish charity. Simple statement of fact, I'm not making it up. I don't know the details (...yet). I recently found out the "chancellor" is bringing in $750K/year. That's some pretty serious money. One of the things I'm taking out of this thread is to pursue more information about them. Along the way, I expect to pick up and hear the language for describing their mission. Right now where I'm at, and wanting to do here, I expect their vocabulary will be material. Quote Because to me it sounds like virtually every political issue in the entire country. I think that is a fair statement. And I really love it when someone can make a simple point that sticks. I'm going to add this one to the lenses I use. Quote With that in mind, the fact of money going to both sides should algebraically cancel each other out. If the government is funding both sides, maybe not so much. Quote The money aspect should probably not be a factor in whether you think a position is good or bad. Agreed.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #164 July 23, 2016 Quote Depends where the money is coming from. If the money is coming from the government to both sides then it's just a never ending increasing cycle. +1We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #165 July 23, 2016 Quote But it still has nothing to do with the facts of the issue. So, look at Comey's language when describing how he wouldn't prosecute Hillary, but he would prosecute anyone else who tried that. Any rationale person can only look at Hillary as having gotten away with a crime, and a serious one at that. Yet, the "facts" are she was not indicted. Quote The money is a separate issue and you still shouldn't be surprised people are making money off the conflict. Follow the money. No truer statement has ever been said.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #166 July 23, 2016 Quote ...especially if that government has massive debt issues. Smile That's another shocking thing to me right now. We are going to have a catastrophic financial shock to our country within our lifetimes, because we are mind boggling in debt and we keep printing money. Things that cannot go on, won't. There is no way we are going to continue paying for even the entitlements we have now, much less those "automatically projected" into the future. Bad things are dialed in, IMO.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #167 July 23, 2016 StreetScooby That's another shocking thing to me right now. We are going to have a catastrophic financial shock to our country within our lifetimes, because we are mind boggling in debt and we keep printing money. Things that cannot go on, won't. There is no way. . . There is no way out of here. The fate that America faces today was decided long ago. Productivity and profits for big business have continued to soar as wages became stagnate due to globalization starting back in the 70s. More women joined the workforce to make up the difference - and it helped for awhile. In later decades productivity and profits continued to soar as wages remained stagnate. We applied for credit and mortgaged our homes to stay afloat - and it helped for awhile. The housing crisis came about and now there is nowhere else to turn, but to print money out of our ass. We're fucked, let alone the negroes swept away into the corners of our fallen country that apparently not even the negroes themselves care about - ya, good luck with that. . .Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #168 July 23, 2016 Just to lighten things up a bit. . . Chris Rock - Black People vs. Niggaz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4 Chris Rock - White Girls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3dVc2btTSQNever was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #169 July 23, 2016 billvon Last warning. You can't call blacks niggers Chris Rock - When Can White People Say Niggah? https://youtu.be/qPDetBACaU0?t=44 Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 227 #170 July 23, 2016 Coreeece ***Last warning. You can't call blacks niggers Chris Rock - When Can White People Say Niggah? https://youtu.be/qPDetBACaU0?t=44 Ah, the Stepin Fetchit for today. A professional . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 59 #171 July 23, 2016 This post and the one before it will have normiss going into apoplectic meltdown. I tried to explain these differences in a back channel communication and he blocked me. This is a convoluted problem. Violence exists, particularly against LEOs and PC advocates restrict the discussion of it. No one is responsible for another person's ill or angry feelings. The initiating individual may be a catalyst but not the cause. The cause in the receiving individual is their lack of maturity, education, personal confidence, etc. to deal with the sensory input. Again, IMO, the problem will continue and it will grow worse. However, I do hope and pray that Trump will be the catalyst for positive change.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,334 #172 July 23, 2016 I'd submit a year of national service (not necessarily military) when someone turns 18 or finishes high school (if they've dropped out they still serve). Just like in the military, CCC, or other programs, it's NOT close to home, and NOT with all the friends. It applies to everyone, regardless of color or social-economic status or family. Developmental delays that don't prevent productivity are not an out. Actively violent aren't exempt, but obviously can't be in usual units. Physically disabled are also not exempted, obviously again depending on circumstances (someone who is hooked to machines in a hospital will have very limited opportunities). The idea is to remind everyone of the value of some of the grunt work out there; park maintenance, scraping and painting bridges, taking care of the children (or parents) of people who are also serving. It also has the advantage of exposing lots of people with very limited world views to people they would not otherwise associate with. That's often seen as one of the advantages of the generalized draft in WW2. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #173 July 23, 2016 wmw999I'd submit a year of national service (not necessarily military) when someone turns 18 or finishes high school (if they've dropped out they still serve). Just like in the military, CCC, or other programs, it's NOT close to home, and NOT with all the friends. I've liked this idea for a long time. I think it makes sense and could solve some issues. However, I don't think the masses would go for it. For one it's too "socialist" and is a loss of liberty if it's mandatory. Again, I really do like the idea and have made such suggestions in the past myself. I just don't think the public would ever stand for it. What I think could work is a completely volunteer deal similar to the Civilian Conservation Corps. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps Give people a chance to do some honest work and learn a trade while also working on government infrastructure. There are also reasons some parts of some businesses would hate this, and there are some people who would also see this as creating a "socialist" government program. You have to do something though.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #174 July 23, 2016 wmw999I'd submit a year of national service (not necessarily military) when someone turns 18 or finishes high school (if they've dropped out they still serve). Just like in the military, CCC, or other programs, it's NOT close to home, and NOT with all the friends. It applies to everyone, ... "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their...": 13th Amendment to the Constitution.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 300 #175 July 23, 2016 I am all for the mandatory service of some kind, including education, for whatever period, 1-2 years....read up on that a bunch of years ago and yes, would probably require a Constitutional Amendment to make it viable....along with a host of other things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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