Anvilbrother 0 #51 March 25, 2015 In most of the US a vote for anyone is a wasted vote. Don't a few handful of swing states always decide who wins anyways. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 644 #52 March 25, 2015 That is a good perspective I would hope helps to make some sort of changes. What we have in this day and age is maddening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,683 #53 March 25, 2015 AnvilbrotherIn most of the US a vote for anyone is a wasted vote. Don't a few handful of swing states always decide who wins anyways. Here is the relevant math. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banzhaf_power_index It's quite complex but you can download software to do it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,371 #54 March 25, 2015 DanGQuoteGo ahead, throw your vote away. I disagree with the notion that a third party vote is a wasted vote. Sure, in the current climate, a third party candidate is unlikely to win. On the other hand, the more votes third parties get, the more attention to the third party issues get from the main parties. Anyway, where I live, a vote for anyone but the Republican is usually a "wasted" vote. ^This. I have always voted in the major elections, and always will. There have been a number of times when I knew perfectly well that the candidate I was voting for wasn't going to be the winner. Whether I was supporting the loser, or letting the winner know that he had opposition, or in the case of "third party" votes, telling both major parties that I didn't like their candidates. That doesn't matter. I'm expressing my opinion and my preference. I've often voted for the "fringe party" candidates. Green, Libertarian, Socialist, Constitution, whatever. Usually those votes are for races where I don't like either of the candidates, or races that are so lopsided that my vote (for or against the winner) won't matter. If those parties get more votes, then they get more notice. Then they might become more viable. I was sick enough of the 'lesser of two evils' voting, and was unable to decide which one was the "lesser evil" in 2012 and voted Libertarian for president. It was a protest vote, and a futile gesture. But I cast my vote. Which I think is important."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 292 #55 March 25, 2015 Yeah, will he might be running into the same situation that my family would face -- not being able to realistically get insurance elsewhere, due to previously existing conditions. Be interesting to know whether Congress members have the same difficulty finding anyone to accept the ACA insurance, as many others have reported. Two doctor offices, out of three I've been in the past few months, have little signs at reception saying that they do not take ACA coverage (I think one was specifically ACA coverage by a certain insurer). If I could afford good insurance, I would probably retire within a year. By "afford" I mean that I would be happy to pay $30k per year for insurance and medical expenses for my wife and I. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #56 March 25, 2015 QuoteI disagree with the notion that a third party vote is a wasted vote. Sure, in the current climate, a third party candidate is unlikely to win. On the other hand, the more votes third parties get, the more attention to the third party issues get from the main parties. Anyway, where I live, a vote for anyone but the Republican is usually a "wasted" vote. Same situation for me. I look at the positions the candidates take and vote for the one who is closest to me on things that are relevant to the office. I don't much care what the public utilities commissioner thinks about abortion, but I do care about their stance on alternative energy sources, for example. That means I've voted D, R, L, I, or even Green. Even if a third party doesn't win, if they get a significant percentage of the vote, and especially if that percentage is gradually increasing from election to election, it will encourage them (and their donors) to keep on trying. It would be hard to maintain supporters if you are always only a fringe vote, 1-2% and never growing. I think it's important to support the party that you would like to see win, even if they don't have a hope of it in this election. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #57 March 25, 2015 Andy9o8***You have yours and I have mine. Interestingly enough, though, they must have the same polarity, since they repel. It must be y'all's magnetic personality.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,177 #58 March 25, 2015 Another one here. I sometimes vote in the republican primary (we have open primaries in Texas), to select the republican I'd rather have won in the long run. Then I vote for the candidate I prefer in the open election as well. And those votes also vary across the spectrum. I do read the League of Women Voters sheets (although they're less useful Han they used to be because of republicans' reluctance to "cooperate with liberals" ), as well as the endorsements in the paper. Note that the endorsements sometimes direct me towards a candidate, and sometimes against. Given that we vote for judges, ballots can run to nine bazzilion entries. I have never voted a straight ticket, and can't imagine he conditions under which I'd do so. Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 292 #59 March 25, 2015 turtlespeed******You have yours and I have mine. Interestingly enough, though, they must have the same polarity, since they repel. It must be y'all's magnetic personality. It is polarized around here, but not magnetic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #60 March 25, 2015 headoverheels*********You have yours and I have mine. Interestingly enough, though, they must have the same polarity, since they repel. It must be y'all's magnetic personality. It is polarized around here, but not magnetic. What to do with all the static . . . What to do?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 644 #61 March 25, 2015 I have a degaussing coil if you need to borrow it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #62 March 25, 2015 normiss I have a degaussing coil if you need to borrow it. That's an attractive offer. I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 644 #63 March 25, 2015 Well it didn't repel you, so that's a positive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Driver1 0 #64 March 25, 2015 wmw999 I have never voted a straight ticket, and can't imagine he conditions under which I'd do so. Wendy P. Same here. I just read up on the candidates' background, platforms, past history, etc, irregardless of their affiliation and vote for which one will be the lesser of two evils. I did vote for Clinton over Dole, and for Bush Jr over Gore.There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #65 March 25, 2015 normiss Well it didn't repel you, so that's a positive. Until you read the "shocked, shocked" threadI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 644 #66 March 25, 2015 I received no charge whatsoever during my perusal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #67 March 25, 2015 normissI received no charge whatsoever during my perusal. Maybe all the stAtic dissipated thenI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #68 March 25, 2015 turtlespeed ***I have a degaussing coil if you need to borrow it. That's an attractive offer. You are aware that's not a sex toy, right? Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 644 #69 March 25, 2015 You are NOT aware of the underlying discussion then, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #70 March 26, 2015 normiss You are NOT aware of the underlying discussion then, right? I don't think he was in the right field.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #72 March 26, 2015 normissOHM! Resistance is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #73 March 26, 2015 Amazon***OHM! Resistance is Evidently the spark of life.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
