skycop 0 #26 March 25, 2015 QuoteNo, the kids are seeing an armed presence everywhere we go. It's frightening. It's also impossible to properly explain it. We could do a lot better with a few Andy Griffiths thrown in. Less shooting, less force, more relationship building. It's hard to fear the friendly neighborhood policeman when he's ONE OF US. It's impossible to NOT fear them when they take the military stance against us. We deserve better. Military stance, that's quite a jump, but leaps are common here. Police work is all about relationship building and networking, those who think that doesn't go on constantly are sadly mistaken. "The police are the people, people are the police" is a great statement at the end of the video. I've tried to give factual information and the best many can give back are platitudes and regurgitated talking points promoted by a disingenuous media. I've said over and over there are concerns, cops make mistakes, and there is are distinct differences between the military and the police. With that said there is the specific threat of military style weapons being used by criminals, two cops were killed yesterday by them. The police have a duty to the public they serve to be prepared and train to respond to these threats. Again, if it's your kid or you needing the assistance, you'd want the cops to have every tool available. You said I appear to terrified to do my job......... Unless you've ever been somewhere where a guy killed his whole family, and you know he is armed with several AK-47's and at least one SKS. And all you have is a 9mm and a shotgun, and you willingly respond and engage that person (among numerous other things). You are not qualified to make that assertion, and the comment shows your ignorance and lack of understanding of the subject............ "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #27 March 25, 2015 Yet we're not ALL carrying AK's. How's Philly doing on their relationship building? St. Louis? Chicago? Miami? My apologies for trying to contribute the single opposing view out of the hundreds of millions of Americans. Good luck out there. ETA: Damn. I skipped right over your PA to me. "and the comment shows your ignorance and lack of understanding of the subject" works both ways my friend. Keep your head in the sand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #28 March 25, 2015 QuoteETA: Damn. I skipped right over your PA to me. "and the comment shows your ignorance and lack of understanding of the subject" works both ways my friend. Keep your head in the sand.Tongue The difference is I live it, you pound a keyboard. I grasp both sides of the issue, you have moments, then back to pounding. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,425 #29 March 25, 2015 >The difference is I live it, you pound a keyboard. He's one of "them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #30 March 25, 2015 Someone who won't listen to facts and reason (sometimes). Absolutely.......... "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #31 March 25, 2015 Police with your mindset should not be in the police business IMO. We're NOT all targets. Yes, I'm still resisting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #32 March 25, 2015 QuotePolice with your mindset should not be in the police business IMO. We're NOT all targets. My mindset? Take a look at my earlier posts, they are factual and reasonable. Perhaps you should try it. QuoteYes, I'm still resisting. I wouldn't call what your doing resisting, continue pounding away.............. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #33 March 25, 2015 I find it interesting you attack me for doing the same thing you're doing. I'm thankful the LEO friends I have have an ENTIRELY different perspective than you do. I hope that's an actual perspective of reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #34 March 25, 2015 My dad can beat up your dad............. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 March 25, 2015 normiss Police with your mindset should not be in the police business IMO. We're NOT all targets. Yes, I'm still resisting. Until those who are charged with protecting and serving "We the People" have a shift in the mentality of "us vs them.... or the thin blue line... or the sheepdog mentality" they will continue to suffer a loss of support from "We the people" who are fed up with being collateral damage in the "war on _________" or who suffer from other abuses of our constitutional rights. If they want our support they need to rejoin "We the people" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #36 March 25, 2015 Better watch out. The boys in blue on here don't like all the resisting citizen stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #37 March 25, 2015 I would expect so. Given that he died in 1984, even an unarmed cop should be able to do that. He won't resist at all. Trust me. He won't be able to raise his hands though, so I'd expect you'll just shoot him. Your turn. FYI: My mother is also deceased and I LOVE LOVE LOVE dead mom jokes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #38 March 25, 2015 And it appears................. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #39 March 25, 2015 skycop I've said over and over there are concerns, cops make mistakes, and there is are distinct differences between the military and the police. With that said there is the specific threat of military style weapons being used by criminals, two cops were killed yesterday by them. The police have a duty to the public they serve to be prepared and train to respond to these threats. Just as not all cops are the ones abusing power and killing people at the drop of a hat, not all of the citizenry are armed to the teeth and looking to kill cops. I know it's easier to step all over the rights of someone if you dehumanize them and pretend they're all out to kill you, but… they aren't. Hell, if cops would stop crashing their cars and motorcycles they'd have fewer dead officers than if they stopped getting shot. QuoteAgain, if it's your kid or you needing the assistance, you'd want the cops to have every tool available. Ah yes, grenade launchers to save the children. When something is pitched as beingdone "for the children" or is named after someone ("So-and-so's Law"), it's frequently being done that way to play on emotions. Why? Because if you try to appeal to the logical side of people they're rightly say "Wait what? No, that's stupid. Don't do that."cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #40 March 25, 2015 wolfriverjoe*** Active shooters armed with semi-auto rifles and having tactical plans called for an evolution in response. It's that simple. It's not cops acting like soldiers, it's cops responding to a specific threat. The big (and I mean huge) problem with that is that the cops have the training to react to a specific threat of an active shooter. But "active shooter" situations are very rare. And the cops don't seem to reserve that sort of militaristic attitude for those rare situations. They almost seem to be looking for reasons to use it in other situations. They ARE looking for reasons to use it. If you don't use what you have, you can't get more of it. "Hey we used SWAT 814 times in Q1" = more budget for SWAT. "Hey we didn't have any SWAT deployments in Q1" = budget reallocated.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #41 March 25, 2015 You're on a roll with the PA's here today. Which appears to be acceptable behavior here these days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #42 March 25, 2015 QuoteYou're on a roll with the PA's here today. Which appears to be acceptable behavior here these days. Mad Quit your fucking crying, for fuck sakes. State your opinion and move on if you cant take the mans answer. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,425 #43 March 25, 2015 And your one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #44 March 25, 2015 Whatever, so where did the post go about ovarian cancer? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 256 #45 March 25, 2015 I suspect starting a post saying you are glad someone has a risk of ovarian cancer and can't have children falls into the "otherwise offensive" bracket.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,425 #46 March 25, 2015 >Whatever, so where did the post go about ovarian cancer? You posted something so offensive that it was deleted. Consider this your last warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #47 March 25, 2015 Ok Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Driver1 0 #48 March 26, 2015 normiss You're on a roll with the PA's here today. Which appears to be acceptable behavior here these days. Yeah? Deal with it. There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #49 March 26, 2015 Better watch it, he has a bigger brother. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #50 March 26, 2015 Anvilbrother Better watch it, he has a bigger brother. Does his bigger brother pun . . . Nah . . . Too easy.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
