rushmc 18 #1 October 2, 2014 the Swiss get it right regarding health care I wish the us would have gotten to vote on it instead of having the Dems shove it down our throats QuoteIn a decision with meaningful implications for the future of U.S. health reform, Swiss voters on Tuesday overwhelmingly rejected a proposal to replace their fully privatized health care system with a government-run, single-payer one. Why does this matter for Americans? Because efforts by both Democrats and Republicans to reform U.S. health care have been modeled after the Swiss system. Switzerland offers us a glimpse as to what a popular, market-oriented health-care system could look like. Many Americans assume that all European countries have single-payer health care systems. That’s not true. They all offer universal coverage—in which health insurance is subsidized for all citizens–but only some of those countries, like the United Kingdom, actually have a system in which private insurers play no meaningful role, because the government serves as the sole insurance company (i.e., the single payer). I got this from the Forbes sight You all can pick your own https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&site=&source=hp&q=switzerland+rejects+government+healthcare&oq=switzerland+rejects+government+heal&gs_l=hp.1.0.33i21.1413.19664.0.22511.39.31.2.6.6.0.302.3510.2j22j2j1.27.0....0...1c.1.54.hp..10.29.2866.B_iAm01_a8w"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #2 October 2, 2014 Now I dont totally agree with this either but it is much much better than what we now have QuoteSwitzerland is a model for U.S. health reform In Switzerland, however, there are no government insurers—only private ones. The Swiss achieve universal coverage by offering means-tested premium-support subsidies, on a sliding scale, for low-income individuals. If you’re really poor, your premium might be fully subsidized. If you’re modestly poor, it might be partially subsidized. If you have above-average income, it won’t be subsidized at all. This approach has two substantial benefits. First, it means that Swiss citizens don’t have a disincentive to increase their incomes, because federal benefits decline gradually as you go up the income ladder. This is much better than the typical “benefit cliff” approach that discourages work in the United States. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,129 #3 October 2, 2014 rushmcNow I dont totally agree with this either but it is much much better than what we now have QuoteSwitzerland is a model for U.S. health reform In Switzerland, however, there are no government insurers—only private ones. The Swiss achieve universal coverage by offering means-tested premium-support subsidies, on a sliding scale, for low-income individuals. If you’re really poor, your premium might be fully subsidized. If you’re modestly poor, it might be partially subsidized. If you have above-average income, it won’t be subsidized at all. This approach has two substantial benefits. First, it means that Swiss citizens don’t have a disincentive to increase their incomes, because federal benefits decline gradually as you go up the income ladder. This is much better than the typical “benefit cliff” approach that discourages work in the United States. So the government subsidizes those who cannot afford it. So basically the rich are paying for the poor. So those who are too lazy to make enough money to cover their insurance bill rely on the rich so they can keep their lazy asses on the couch. What are you, some kind of communist? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #4 October 2, 2014 SkyDekker***Now I dont totally agree with this either but it is much much better than what we now have QuoteSwitzerland is a model for U.S. health reform In Switzerland, however, there are no government insurers—only private ones. The Swiss achieve universal coverage by offering means-tested premium-support subsidies, on a sliding scale, for low-income individuals. If you’re really poor, your premium might be fully subsidized. If you’re modestly poor, it might be partially subsidized. If you have above-average income, it won’t be subsidized at all. This approach has two substantial benefits. First, it means that Swiss citizens don’t have a disincentive to increase their incomes, because federal benefits decline gradually as you go up the income ladder. This is much better than the typical “benefit cliff” approach that discourages work in the United States. So the government subsidizes those who cannot afford it. So basically the rich are paying for the poor. So those who are too lazy to make enough money to cover their insurance bill rely on the rich so they can keep their lazy asses on the couch. What are you, some kind of communist? Been going on for decades and as I have stated many times I have no problem helping those who need help What we have to day is a vote purchase program Well, more than one of them...... Please continue however Your emotional rants are fun to say the least"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #5 October 2, 2014 rushmc the Swiss get it right regarding health care I wish the us would have gotten to vote on it instead of having the Dems shove it down our throats You're mad because we don't individually vote on all federal decisions? Sounds like Switzerland is right for you then, but this is how America has operated for well over 200 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,129 #6 October 2, 2014 QuoteWhat we have to day is a vote purchase program Today? The whole democratic model is based on a "vote purchase" model. Bread and circusses. Funny you would think this is a new concept. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #7 October 2, 2014 SkyDekkerQuoteWhat we have to day is a vote purchase program Today? The whole democratic model is based on a "vote purchase" model. Bread and circusses. Funny you would think this is a new concept. No, its not, if done as intended as outlined by the Constitution That is why liberals hate the Constitution. Because it limits what they love the most, Government"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,050 #8 October 2, 2014 Hi rush, Quote the Swiss get it right When are you moving? Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #9 October 2, 2014 Quoteliberals you really just can't help yourself can you? whatever, carry on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,129 #10 October 2, 2014 QuoteNo, its not, if done as intended as outlined by the Constitution That is why liberals hate the Constitution. Because it limits what they love the most, Government How is your model of government different from how it was intended by the consitution? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 October 2, 2014 rushmc No, its not, if done as intended as outlined by the Constitution You started this thread with a rant that the people didn't get a chance to vote for Obamacare. This sort of direct vote by the masses was explicitly what the Framers did not want. They feared pure democracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #12 October 2, 2014 kelpdiver*** No, its not, if done as intended as outlined by the Constitution You started this thread with a rant that the people didn't get a chance to vote for Obamacare. This sort of direct vote by the masses was explicitly what the Framers did not want. They feared pure democracy.true. Good point. That vote comes again in 33 days"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #13 October 2, 2014 JerryBaumchen Hi rush, Quote the Swiss get it right When are you moving? Jerry Baumchen I not planning on moving. I will work to fix what Obama an the liberals have fucked up her. Interesting how so many have mentioned the Swiss regarding this topic in the past however. Wonder how those that have done this feel about them today?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 256 #14 October 2, 2014 I think the Swiss get a lot of things right. Genuine question - are you aware how different Switzerland is to the US on just about every single social and economic indicator? They also have universal healthcare, and strong subsidies for those less fortunate which is exactly what the ACA is working to provide and the GOP is resisting.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #15 October 2, 2014 StumpyI think the Swiss get a lot of things right. Genuine question - are you aware how different Switzerland is to the US on just about every single social and economic indicator? They also have universal healthcare, and strong subsidies for those less fortunate which is exactly what the ACA is working to provide and the GOP is resisting. No. It is not the same thing. Not even close. And the left is still shooting for single payer. That which the Swiss just rejectef"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 256 #16 October 2, 2014 rushmc ***I think the Swiss get a lot of things right. Genuine question - are you aware how different Switzerland is to the US on just about every single social and economic indicator? They also have universal healthcare, and strong subsidies for those less fortunate which is exactly what the ACA is working to provide and the GOP is resisting. No. It is not the same thing. Not even close. And the left is still shooting for single payer. That which the Swiss just rejectef Quote Switzerland has an individual mandate requiring its citizens to purchase health insurance, Quote And in 2010, Obamacare, borrowing from Romneycare, used the same Swiss model to offer private-sector health coverage to individuals with incomes between one and four times the Federal Poverty Level: in 2014, $11,670 for a childless adult. Yep completely different. Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,129 #17 October 3, 2014 Rush, you simply have no idea what you are talking about. You have picked up a talking point or two at some right wing website or talkshow and are repeating them here. Everytime you are asked to substantiate any of your claims, you either ignore it, or answer with some off topic one liner, generally in the spirit of "I know what you are, but what am I". Good for you for having strong beliefs and convictions. Nothing wrong with that, but it would be great if you could substantiate them somewhat beyond the standard talking points. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgriff 0 #18 October 3, 2014 SkyDekkerGood for you for having strong beliefs and convictions. Nothing wrong with that, but it would be great if you could substantiate them somewhat beyond the standard talking points. No can do, SD... That's illegal in our country. Only parroting of the approved party line is permissible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #19 October 3, 2014 QuoteI got this from the Forbes sight What's a Forbes sight? I've heard of nearsighted and farsighted, but not Forbes sighted. QuoteYou all can pick your ownOK, I pick this one:"Switzerland rejects single-payer, will keep its own version of Obamacare". Note that none of the articles in your Google list said anything close to "Swiss reject government subsidized health care, adopt Republican fantasy of health care only for the wealthy". Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #20 October 3, 2014 QuoteWhat's a Forbes sight? I've heard of nearsighted and farsighted, but not Forbes sighted. Forbes sighted is a lot like Fox sighted or Blaze sighted. You have to squint real hard to see anything that isn't being ruined by Obama. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #21 October 3, 2014 The ACA is working, unemployment is at 6.1, the economy is growing. Obama is doing a fine job. So, will there be a going away party before you move to another country?"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #22 October 3, 2014 DanGQuoteWhat's a Forbes sight? I've heard of nearsighted and farsighted, but not Forbes sighted. Forbes sighted is a lot like Fox sighted or Blaze sighted. You have to squint real hard to see anything that isn't being ruined by Obama. They have to suit to see through all of Obama halos"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #23 October 3, 2014 QuoteThey have to suit to see through all of Obama halos They sell suits, too? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 340 #24 October 3, 2014 DanGQuoteThey have to suit to see through all of Obama halos They sell suits, too?I did not know Obama did HALOs. Cool. Obama is a skydiver. I learn stuff here every day. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,403 #25 October 3, 2014 >They have to suit to see through all of Obama halos When will the only good media outlets be able to convince the sheeple that Obama is responsible for all evil in the world? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
