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Why there will always be guns

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Well, it's official. The anti-gun crowd will now want to ban 3D printers.

Along with pressure cookers.... and what ever else...:S

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Well, it's official. The anti-gun crowd will now want to ban 3D printers.

Along with pressure cookers.... and what ever else...:S



Cool. More things only criminals and the government will have...
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***Well, it's official. The anti-gun crowd will now want to ban 3D printers.

Along with pressure cookers.... and what ever else...:S



Cool. More things only criminals and the government will have...

Wouldn't that be great?
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Well, it's official. The anti-gun crowd will now want to ban 3D printers.



This line of "reasoning" on your part is fairly silly. It has always been possible for experimenters to make guns, yet to my knowledge no "anti-gun crowd" has ever said boo about basic machine tools.

The reality is it's cheaper to buy an illegal gun than learn the skills and gather the tools required to make them, so the illegal gun trade is the bigger issue. Not hobbyist machinists.

I have no doubt there will be legislation to attempt to stem the tide of hobbyists manufactured guns using 3D printing technology, but it's ridiculous to even suggest the "anti-gun crowd" would attempt to ban 3D printing.

If you want to know who I think might be quaking in their boots over 3D printing, it's all the regular manufacturers of physical objects. This includes the traditional gun manufacturers themselves.
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There will always be alcohol too, but guns and alcohol are a bad combination:

www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/article/7-people-injured-in-Indianapolis-shooting-5601258.php



Hmm. Seems like that kind of thing is pretty much normal there.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/2-men-arrested-in-rape-of-indianapolis-woman-in-broad-ripple-in-december-2012

http://wishtv.com/2014/02/18/five-people-robbed-at-gunpoint-in-broad-ripple-area-in-two-days/

http://www.wthr.com/story/24744941/2014/02/17/impd-investigates-three-muggings-in-broad-ripple

http://www.wthr.com/story/19231475/concern-grows-over-broad-ripple-crime

There is a common denominator in these crimes. Can you figure out what it is?

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regulator

Not even during a full on government confiscation where all firearms were confiscated the state of technology currently will prevent humans from finding other creative ways to defend themselves from others.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b3e_1404502736



Guns are easy to manufacture using 1940s (the Bridgeport vertical mill was introduced in 1938) technology and smuggle in (like the millions of pounds of illegal drugs America imports each year).

Personally I'm _MUCH_ happier living in a country where criminals get $75 low-power pistols leaking from legitimate markets with their gunshot wounds fatal less than 25% of the time than where they buy locally made or import from the world market.

Open bolt sub-machine guns are the simplest repeaters to make (they can use a fixed firing pin on the bolt, don't need a disconnector like a semi-automatic, don't have the precision machining that accurately times a revolver, and are big enough they can rely on bolt mass to contain cartridge pressure instead of a complicated locking mechanism).

In the world market $70 buys a fully-automatic AK47 firing a rifle round and concealable options like the Krinkov exist.

In Australia where handguns are very regulated and semi-automatic rifles banned criminals turned to locally manufactured illegal alternatives like these sub-machine guns using the P.A. Luty design from Expedient Homemade Firearms Volume II.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0GPPxGX8pdA

Fast forward to the 1:00 mark to skip the boring bits and see some in action.

The UK also has problems with yardies and sub-guns.

This ignores the real issue which is that people in decent careers don't kill each other regardless of gun laws and what they own - whites in affluent areas surrounding Milwaukee are killed at lower rates than Belgians, Swedes who can own automatic weapons don't kill each other, and only two legally owned US machine guns (of which there are about 250,000) have been used in crimes since 1934 with the most recent incident involving a corrupt Ohio police officer who used his to murder an informant.

Those on the loosing side of economic inequality who can't support themselves in a first-world middle class manner do even when you effectively outlaw guns, look for them with warrant-less searches, have secret trials, and throw people possessing them in prison like Jamaica did causing their murder rate to increase from 40 per 100,000 to 60

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