American POW freed

[normiss 622]

I have trouble understanding most of those posts actually.

We should all agree upon a common language here.

[Amazon 7]

turtlespeed

***Well all righty then.

I have no clue what you said.

THAT is not an uncommon reaction.

More English and less sports would have helped with that in HS...

[normiss 622]

Personally, I aced English classes in high school and CLEP'd all my college English.

[mirage62 0]

Listen dumb ass.

Amazon has posted - roughly - 8.82 post each and every day....Sundays, Christmas, while jumping..... (on average) since she registered on DZ.com. There is NO WAY your english is up to her standards she has way to much practice posting here

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[normiss 622]

Smarty drawers.

[turtlespeed 212]

normiss

Personally, I aced English classes in high school and CLEP'd all my college English.

They let you play Poker for your Engrish grade?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[normiss 622]

I suck at poker and have always found gambling to be boring.

I got shit to do.

[masterrig 1]

Hookd on fonicks werkd for me!

Chuck

[turtlespeed 212]

normiss

I suck at poker and have always found gambling to be boring.

I got shit to do.

Wanna make a bet? I can breathe now . . . thank you for that.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Amazon 7]

normiss

I suck at poker and have always found gambling to be boring.

I got shit to do.

I do not gamble... I figure out who the suckers are in the game and take their money...I guess it sucked to be them. I did pay for some nice toys with the proceeds though. Around paydays it is easy to part a fool from his money.

[kallend 1,635]

normiss

Who's John?

The Turtle apparently thinks that Amazons are male, and that one's name is John.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 622]

He's doing rather well at confusing me lately.

[freethefly 6]

Give him a break as turtles tend to be slow.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[propblast 0]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/13/politics/bowe-bergdahl-return/


The disappearance

Bergdahl went missing on June 30, 2009, in Afghanistan's Paktika province, where he was deployed with the 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division.
Several veterans and soldiers call him a deserter who walked off his base.
An Army fact-finding investigation conducted in the months after his disappearance concluded he left his outpost deliberately and of his own free will, according to an official who was briefed on the report.
The Army has no definitive finding that Bergdahl deserted because that would require knowing his intent -- something officials couldn't learn without talking to the soldier, a U.S. military official told CNN.

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I disagree with the last part of this article from the standpoint of the oxford dictionary. Desertion does not involve intent. Being a traitor does. The oxford dictionary in my library says:

Desertion: the action of leaving the armed forces illegally.

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Desertion is a action not a intent. BB is a deserter who may have had multitudes of other intents.

Thoughts?


Eta:line breaks

Propblast

[lummy 4]

The difference between AWOL and desertion is "intent".

Quote

AWOL [pronounced as initials or ey-wawl, ey-wol] Show IPA
adjective, adverb
1.
away from military duties without permission, but without the intention of deserting.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/awol

And from UCMJ


The primary difference between the two offenses is "intent to remain away permanently," or if the purpose of the absence is to shirk "important duty," (such as a combat deployment).***

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/awoldesertion.htm

I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1

[propblast 0]

Ok I'll buy that for a dollar. I wanted to look at it from a language point of view since English was brought up.

Lets use article 85 and go down this track.


Article 85 states...

“(a) Any member of the armed forces who—

(1) without authority goes or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to remain away therefrom permanently;
(2) quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service; or

(3) without being regularly separated from one of the armed forces enlists or accepts an appointment in the same or another one of the armed forces without fully disclosing the fact that he has not been regularly separated, or enters any foreign armed service except when authorized by the United States Note: This provision has been held not to state a separate offense by the United States Court of Military Appeals in United States v. Huff, 7 U.S.C.M.A. 247, 22 C.M.R. 37 (1956), is guilty of desertion.

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So Bergdahl a private which I think is important to note wrote this while in captivity.

"Leadership was lacking, if not non-existent," he wrote.. The conditions were bad and looked to be getting worse for the men that where actuly (sic) the ones risking thier (sic) lives from attack," he wrote.

Sure seems like he decided to fall under this set of criteria at a min:

Desertion with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service.

(a) That the accused quit his or her unit, organization, or other place of duty;
(b) That the accused did so with the intent to avoid a certain duty or shirk a certain service;

(c) That the duty to be performed was hazardous or the service important;

(d) That the accused knew that he or she would be required for such duty or service; and

(e) That the accused remained absent until the date alleged.

And probably this set.

(1) Desertion with intent to remain away permanently.

(a) That the accused absented himself or herself from his or her unit, organization, or place of duty;
(b) That such absence was without authority;

(c) That the accused, at the time the absence began or at some time during the absence, intended to remain away from his or her unit, organization, or place of duty permanently; and

(d) That the accused remained absent until the date alleged. Note: If the absence was terminated by apprehension, add the following element

(e) That the accused’s absence was terminated by apprehension.


Sure seems intent was there.

Propblast

[lummy 4]

Yeah, it does seem like intent could be there. However, the people who investigated it, and know a lot more details than we do, couldn't determine if there was intent or not.

Personally, I wouldn't think the army would give 2 promotions to the guy if they really thought he deserted

I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1

[propblast 0]

Promotions are automatic until recovery. (Based on time in grade) Which is why he did not receive the one he was pending. It is just part oft he process. Plus they will always try to recover citizens and they should as stated above.

From the Washington post today-

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On June 7, three weeks before he walked off post, Bergdahl e-mailed Harrison’s daughter, Kayla.

“if at any point in time, kim gets a call from red cross, or the mill, no matter when, in a week, month, or years. . . . Keep her from panic and bad ideas. You know what I do, and ash I am still perfecting, actions may become . . . odd. No red flags. Im good. But plans have begun to form, no time line yet. . . . love you! Bowe.”

Alarmed, Kayla wrote back, “Exactly what kind of plans are you thinking of?”

“l1nes n0 t g00 d h3rE tell u when 1 ha ve a si coure 1ine about pl/-\ns,” Bergdahl wrote back the next day. “There is still time yet for thinking.”

“Just don’t do anything stupid or pointless,” Kayla replied.

“you know I plan better then that,” Bergdahl wrote back.

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I just think a lot of folks are burying their head in the sand. I honestly would like to hear more opinions on this.

Propblast

[Coreece 190]

Amazon

Psst.. I am a registered Republican...

PSSTSHUTMBUMPPLOOOFPLUMP!!!

...I just shit my pants!

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[Amazon 7]

Coreece

***Psst.. I am a registered Republican...

PSSTSHUTMBUMPPLOOOFPLUMP!!!

...I just shit my pants!

Go ahead and shit yourself all you want.. but it is what it is.. I have hopes that someday the party will retract their craniums from the rectal regions and decide to learn how to govern once again. The problem right now is all the dumb asses who do not believe there is a future... that they will all be raptured out any day now so actually making any kind of plans for their children or descendants is not needed.

[Coreece 190]

Amazon

*** The problem right now is all the dumb asses who do not believe there is a future... that they will all be raptured out any day now.

If they really had that much faith, then there would be no need for them to "panic."

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[kelpdiver 2]

you do understand that you can change your affiliation? It seems improbable that the GOP is going to swing back towards acceptability for you any time soon.

Is WA an open primary state where your choices in the primaries aren't restricted by stated party choice?

[turtlespeed 212]

kelpdiver

you do understand that you can change your affiliation? It seems improbable that the GOP is going to swing back towards acceptability for you any time soon.

Is WA an open primary state where your choices in the primaries aren't restricted by stated party choice?

AH - but her vote to switch to the left - although not surprising to us here, adds up when you are falsely stating your GOP loyalty.

LOL

It sits kinda like a Red Herring.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Amazon 7]

kelpdiver

you do understand that you can change your affiliation? It seems improbable that the GOP is going to swing back towards acceptability for you any time soon.

Is WA an open primary state where your choices in the primaries aren't restricted by stated party choice?

Nope.. closed.. and I live in a fairly purple district. I can find people who are not the dregs of the bottom of the Tea Pot to vote for here.

[Amazon 7]

turtlespeed

***you do understand that you can change your affiliation? It seems improbable that the GOP is going to swing back towards acceptability for you any time soon.

Is WA an open primary state where your choices in the primaries aren't restricted by stated party choice?

AH - but her vote to switch to the left - although not surprising to us here, adds up when you are falsely stating your GOP loyalty.

LOL

It sits kinda like a Red Herring.

Do you even have a clue what a moderate really is.. but your daily assumptions brought on by that severe case of ODS really are tiresome. But I do love your constant personal attacks calling me a liar. It certainly reflects poorly on you Clint.