quade 3 #1 May 15, 2014 Regardless of how you feel about politics, if you are concerned at all about the NSA or even if you're just mildly interested, then you should probably watch this. Part one is amazingly detailed and tells the story step-by-step of how we went from September 11 to Edward Snowden. Absolutely fascinating. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/united-states-of-secrets/ I can hardly wait to see what Part 2 has in store.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #2 May 15, 2014 Did the report state that Bradley (Chelsea) Manning leaked documents to Edward Snowden and that Snowden forwarded them to Wikileaks? I just heard that claim made on the radio this AM.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loudtom 5 #3 May 15, 2014 Hopefully when Republicans take power you will be worried about the irs in the same fashion but until they use their power on you libs only the nsa needs attention huh... figures... I can't wait till you get yours....tom #90 #54 #08 and now #5 with a Bronze :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #4 May 15, 2014 RonD1120Did the report state that Bradley (Chelsea) Manning leaked documents to Edward Snowden and that Snowden forwarded them to Wikileaks? I just heard that claim made on the radio this AM. Hey Ron, here's an idea, why not take the time to watch the program yourself?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #5 May 15, 2014 loudtomHopefully when Republicans take power you will be worried about the irs in the same fashion but until they use their power on you libs only the nsa needs attention huh... figures... I can't wait till you get yours.... I love people who make comments without first seeing the material linked. /sighquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #6 May 15, 2014 loudtomHopefully when Republicans take power you will be worried about the irs in the same fashion but until they use their power on you libs only the nsa needs attention huh... figures... I can't wait till you get yours.... Unless you have had your head permanently inserted......................in the sand........... The nation is already "getting yours" compliments of the Department of Homeland Police State brought to us all by the last administration and the Patriot Act. Please remind me how "liberal" they were again??? There were a few of us here who thought it was "GOAT FUCK STUPID" to enact that crap.. but the evangelical GOP conservatives wished to protect us with MORE government to protect us from the "Evil Doers" ( I know its popular to propaganze the small government and fiscal conservatism of the evangelical GOP conservatives but like the "NewSpeak" in 1984 it is just a sham to mollify the party faithful) So in the next round.. what are you evangelical GOP conservatives wanting to do.. put the two way cameras in all the TV's in every room of our homes including bedrooms like we saw in the movie "1984" so you can watch all of us to make sure we are not performing and proscribed sex acts??? Will we need to be observed saying our prayers while on our knees next to our beds??? ( Well except for the deeply closeted evangelical GOP conservative members who will be convieniently not monitored because they say they are holier than the rest of Americans like they are now) The American Taliban makes we want to retch on a daily basis... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #7 May 15, 2014 quade***Did the report state that Bradley (Chelsea) Manning leaked documents to Edward Snowden and that Snowden forwarded them to Wikileaks? I just heard that claim made on the radio this AM. Hey Ron, here's an idea, why not take the time to watch the program yourself? Hey quade, here's an answer. I don't have a TV.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,390 #8 May 16, 2014 RonD1120******Did the report state that Bradley (Chelsea) Manning leaked documents to Edward Snowden and that Snowden forwarded them to Wikileaks? I just heard that claim made on the radio this AM. Hey Ron, here's an idea, why not take the time to watch the program yourself? Hey quade, here's an answer. I don't have a TV. Do you have a computer? You do know that link Quade posted is to the video of the program, right?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #9 May 16, 2014 quadeRegardless of how you feel about politics, if you are concerned at all about the NSA or even if you're just mildly interested, then you should probably watch this. Part one is amazingly detailed and tells the story step-by-step of how we went from September 11 to Edward Snowden. Absolutely fascinating. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/united-states-of-secrets/ I can hardly wait to see what Part 2 has in store. You . . . a conspiracy theorist?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #10 May 16, 2014 turtlespeedYou . . . a conspiracy theorist? Did you watch the program?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #11 May 16, 2014 quade***You . . . a conspiracy theorist? Did you watch the program? Don't have an extra 2 hours to spend on propaganda.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #12 May 16, 2014 turtlespeed******You . . . a conspiracy theorist? Did you watch the program? Don't have an extra 2 hours to spend on propaganda. Yeah.. I kinda figured most of the conservatives around here were 15 sec kinda guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #13 May 16, 2014 turtlespeed******You . . . a conspiracy theorist? Did you watch the program? Don't have an extra 2 hours to spend on propaganda. It's neither propaganda nor conspiracy. Sad. I thought you'd at least have a little intellectual curiosity, but you have chosen to remain uninformed and tow some bizarre line in defense of an illegal surveillance state. I will remember this. You have now defended President Obama with regard to the NSA.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #14 May 16, 2014 ryoder*********Did the report state that Bradley (Chelsea) Manning leaked documents to Edward Snowden and that Snowden forwarded them to Wikileaks? I just heard that claim made on the radio this AM. Hey Ron, here's an idea, why not take the time to watch the program yourself? Hey quade, here's an answer. I don't have a TV. Do you have a computer? You do know that link Quade posted is to the video of the program, right? I am very busy at this time and no, it did not register as a weblink. It was a quick friendly question for which a yes or no answer would have been sufficient. I forgot whom I was addressing.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,390 #15 May 16, 2014 I just watched it last night. Excellent. Oh, and for the the diehards who think the world is all black and white, left and right; No administration since 9/11 comes out looking good. One thing that surprised me was that Cheney had kept GWB in the dark about the DOJ being very unhappy about the warrantless wiretapping until a dozen officials were on the verge of resigning."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #16 May 16, 2014 ryoder Oh, and for the the diehards who think the world is all black and white, left and right; No administration since 9/11 comes out looking good. I agree. Non-partisan. I enjoyed it as well and look forward to Part II. John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #17 May 16, 2014 Started watching it yesterday. Unfortunately, I only had a few hours of sleep and dozed off for a bit, but good stuff so far. While I was sleeping, the documentary was influencing my dreams - I was under investigation by the NSA and the guy that played Max Headroom wanted to confiscated my Comcast digital set-top box/DVR. It was upsetting...Comcast doesn't give you the option to buy the box. So now I have no TV because analog is obsolete and Comcast continues to extort me for $10.99/mth for the DVR...for life! Anyway, I think reports like this can possibly bring the country together rather than bickering ad nauseum about the same 3-4 issues that continue to divide/distract us...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,050 #18 May 17, 2014 Hi turtle, QuoteDon't have an extra 2 hours to spend on propaganda. I cannot think of a single FRONTLINE program that I would put in this category. Actually, I would think that all of the Obama haters would be shouting about the program from the highest rafters. And I am proud to have worked on Sen. Wyden's campaign. JerryB aumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 May 17, 2014 JerryBaumchen Hi turtle, Quote Don't have an extra 2 hours to spend on propaganda. I cannot think of a single FRONTLINE program that I would put in this category. Actually, I would think that all of the Obama haters would be shouting about the program from the highest rafters. And I am proud to have worked on Sen. Wyden's campaign. JerryBaumchen Me too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #20 May 23, 2014 I finally got it on the DVR last night. If anyone thinks that frontline puts a political spin on this story, they simply have not watched it. When they interview virtually every person involved, it's almost too incredible to imagine that's there's an agenda behind this. I did get a new found respect for a lot of Bush-era DOJ and NSA officials who tried to do the right thing. I lost a lot of respect for Obama and his DOJ. I now find my self supporting Snowden. My long time hatred for Cheney is now only intensified, I think Dick and his buddy Addington played W for all they could. It was frightening how much power Cheney had and how he was able to use it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #21 May 23, 2014 jclalorI finally got it on the DVR last night. If anyone thinks that frontline puts a political spin on this story, they simply have not watched it. When they interview virtually every person involved, it's almost too incredible to imagine that's there's an agenda behind this. I did get a new found respect for a lot of Bush-era DOJ and NSA officials who tried to do the right thing. I lost a lot of respect for Obama and his DOJ. I now find my self supporting Snowden. My long time hatred for Cheney is now only intensified, I think Dick and his buddy Addington played W for all they could. It was frightening how much power Cheney had and how he was able to use it. Yes they did but Georgie and family did quite well from the relationship... monetarily.... morally and for posterity not so much. http://www.masters-of-war.org/images/BUSH/GEORGIE%20DOODY.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #22 May 23, 2014 Amazon***I finally got it on the DVR last night. If anyone thinks that frontline puts a political spin on this story, they simply have not watched it. When they interview virtually every person involved, it's almost too incredible to imagine that's there's an agenda behind this. I did get a new found respect for a lot of Bush-era DOJ and NSA officials who tried to do the right thing. I lost a lot of respect for Obama and his DOJ. I now find my self supporting Snowden. My long time hatred for Cheney is now only intensified, I think Dick and his buddy Addington played W for all they could. It was frightening how much power Cheney had and how he was able to use it. Yes they did but Georgie and family did quite well from the relationship... monetarily.... morally and for posterity not so much. http://www.masters-of-war.org/images/BUSH/GEORGIE%20DOODY.jpg That sums it up quite well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,050 #23 May 23, 2014 Hi jc, QuoteWhen they interview virtually every person involved Well, except for those folks who refused to be interviewed. Sure is telling as far as I'm concerned. QuoteI now find my self supporting Snowden. This past week, Brian Williams of NBC News spent some time in Moscow interviewing Snowden. NBC is doing an hour-long special next week on the interview. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
